Where does this guy get his information?

**RunFirst** · Feb 1, 06, 04:29 PM

School board again tells KHSAA to work out its own spat

The sensitive sports debate began anew in October when public schools, which make up the vast majority of KHSAA's membership, voted to force private schools into their own tournaments.

They were concerned about recent domination of some larger private schools that draw from a wider area and use scholarships to lure top athletes, much like colleges do.

What is this guy talking about? You would think the press would be required to know what they are talking about before they are allowed to report on a topic. This guy clearly has no idea. That or he is trying to slant the public's opinion on the topic.

**All Play No Work** · Feb 1, 06, 04:43 PM

He is probably an AP writer that has some Sports coverage in his history but most likely was assigned to various other areas of news. Although it would be best to not write incorrect things or to use words like "perception" etc. he probably banged this story out and went on to something else.

**Trinity alum** · Feb 1, 06, 04:45 PM

Stories like this are part of the problem. I wish people would bother to find the facts before they start on this stuff. When people state what they are concerned about with regard to private schools, most of it just isn't true.

**KyTmcNcc** · Feb 1, 06, 04:59 PM

The larger Private schools are in Louisville and. I hope that people from Louisville associated with X and Trinity and the girls schools jump all over this and set this guy straight about athletic scholarships .

**sml007** · Feb 1, 06, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by KyTmcNcc

The larger Private schools are in Louisville and. I hope that people from Louisville associated with X and Trinity and the girls schools jump all over this and set this guy straight about athletic scholarships .

Isn't a kid going to a school to participate in athletics and given financial aid an athletic scholarship. Why was he wrong? Is that not an issue.

My college scholarship was done this way.

I think a Lexington Private School that won a football championship this year got in trouble for this from the KHSAA.

I dont think this guy is completely off-base.

**All Play No Work** · Feb 1, 06, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by sml007

Isn't a kid going to a school to participate in athletics and given financial aid an athletic scholarship. Why was he wrong? Is that not an issue.

My college scholarship was done this way.

I think a Lexington Private School that won a football championship this year got in trouble for this from the KHSAA.

I dont think this guy is completely off-base.

College scholarships given for athletic ability are different than financial aid given to high school students based on need to pay tuition who may or may not participate in athletics.

There are specific rules and guidelines that private schools must follow to award financial aid. Anything not in accordance with those rules (example awarding financial aid based on athletic ability) is a violation of KHSAA rules and is should/will be punished.

**sml007** · Feb 1, 06, 06:55 PM

Originally Posted by All Play No Work

College scholarships given for athletic ability are different than financial aid given to high school students based on need to pay tuition who may or may not participate in athletics.

There are specific rules and guidelines that private schools must follow to award financial aid. Anything not in accordance with those rules (example awarding financial aid based on athletic ability) is a violation of KHSAA rules and is should/will be punished.

I would hope that all financial aid given to athletes would be given to a non-athlete as well.

That would be a difficult seperation. Even if an athlete gets need based money. If the athlete was brought to the school to participate in athletics. I would consider that an athletic scholarship, even if it is need based.

**RunFirst** · Feb 1, 06, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by sml007

Isn't a kid going to a school to participate in athletics and given financial aid an athletic scholarship. Why was he wrong? Is that not an issue.

My college scholarship was done this way.

I think a Lexington Private School that won a football championship this year got in trouble for this from the KHSAA.

I dont think this guy is completely off-base.

You are completely off-base. It has been explained sooooooooo many times on BGP that you can easily find all the facts if you do a little digging. Happy reading.

**sml007** · Feb 1, 06, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by RunFirst

You are completely off-base. It has been explained sooooooooo many times on BGP that you can easily find all the facts if you do a little digging. Happy reading.

Exactly which part am I off base about. Most of the info on here is presented by people with biased opinions.

**All Play No Work** · Feb 1, 06, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by sml007

I would hope that all financial aid given to athletes would be given to a non-athlete as well.

That would be a difficult seperation. Even if an athlete gets need based money. If the athlete was brought to the school to participate in athletics. I would consider that an athletic scholarship, even if it is need based.

Here I'll sum it up for you to save you the reading.

Financial aid is given on a need basis. Parents fill out a form with income information. The financial information only form goes to a third party clearinghouse out of state that decides if that student is to receive aid. The clearinghouse does not know if the student is male or female or is a basketball player or a tuba player and doesn't care about anything other than finacial information. That clearinghouse lets the school then know if that family's student qualifies. The max amount awarded is 50% or less of tuition cost and not everyone gets aid and most do not get 50%.

**gametime** · Feb 1, 06, 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by sml007

Exactly which part am I off base about. Most of the info on here is presented by people with biased opinions.

Every bit of it...

**sml007** · Feb 1, 06, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by All Play No Work

Here I'll sum it up for you to save you the reading.

Financial aid is given on a need basis. Parents fill out a form with income information. The financial information only form goes to a third party clearinghouse out of state that decides if that student is to receive aid. The clearinghouse does not know if the student is male or female or is a basketball player or a tuba player and doesn't care about anything other than finacial information. That clearinghouse lets the school then know if that family's student qualifies. The max amount awarded is 50% or less of tuition cost and not everyone gets aid and most do not get 50%.

Thanks. That make sense. What about work study money?

**sml007** · Feb 1, 06, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by gametime

Every bit of it...

Explain the Lexington school situation for me then.

**gametime** · Feb 1, 06, 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by sml007

Explain the Lexington school situation for me then.

They had an athlete that needed more aid than he recieved to stay in school. They helped him out. It was a violation and they had to pay the price...

**sml007** · Feb 1, 06, 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by RunFirst

You are completely off-base. It has been explained sooooooooo many times on BGP that you can easily find all the facts if you do a little digging. Happy reading.

Here is my off-base info per the Courier Journal:

DeVries placed the school's athletic program on two years of probation, fined it more than $30,000, forced it to forfeit some games and limited its number of regular-season home games in football and baseball next school year. The ruling does not affect any postseason title won by the school.

Lexington Catholic, which has won state championships in six sports since 1999, has been a focal point of the ongoing controversy regarding athletic equity between Kentucky's public and private schools.

In the letter, the KHSAA cited at least nine instances of LexCath awarding financial aid to students in violation of Bylaw 10, Section 2(c), which forbids providing financial aid scholarships or other material rewards to athletes for which other students are not eligible.

**sml007** · Feb 1, 06, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by gametime

They had an athlete that needed more aid than he recieved to stay in school. They helped him out. It was a violation and they had to pay the price...

The article says, '9 violations'.

I never said this takes place everywhere. My observation of todays article was not off-base. This seems to be an issue.

**Jim Schue** · Feb 1, 06, 07:22 PM

For what it's worth, apparently subsequent edits of the story now have the phrase "and use scholarships to lure top athletes, much like colleges do" struck from the story. In the link posted, it now reads:

They were concerned about recent domination of some larger private schools that draw from a wider area to lure top athletes.

This was either caught by the guy's editors (I don't recognize his name, so he's pretty new to the Ky AP bureaus), or someone called to complain, then it was changed.

**All Play No Work** · Feb 1, 06, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by sml007

Thanks. That make sense. What about work study money?

By work study money I'm guessing you are referring to schools that allow students to perform generally janitorial or maintenance activities and are "paid" by having what they earned deducted from their tuition bill.

Not all schools offer a program like that but in general the ones that do have calculated that a student could earn enough that they could get up to 20% off of their tuition if they were to work throughout entire the school year.

So in theory if a student attends a school that costs $6000 and got the max amount of aid of $3000 then they could possibly work off another $1200 leaving $1800 a year for 4 years. (Note that is would be difficult to work off 20% if the student participated in athletics because the hours basically conflict.)

**RunFirst** · Feb 1, 06, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by Jim Schue

For what it's worth, apparently subsequent edits of the story now have the phrase "and use scholarships to lure top athletes, much like colleges do" struck from the story. In the link posted, it now reads:

This was either caught by the guy's editors (I don't recognize his name, so he's pretty new to the Ky AP bureaus), or someone called to complain, then it was changed.

Thank God for Jody D!!!

**rockmom** · Feb 2, 06, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by sml007

Exactly which part am I off base about. Most of the info on here is presented by people with biased opinions.

You're welcome to peruse the websites of the schools in question to find the published information regarding financial aid as well. I know that I've posted links for several schools in many previous threads. But usually, a quick google of the school name will get you to their website.