What is the role of the Diocese of Covington in NKY Catholic high school sports?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    In a perfect world or diocese, districting would be a perfect business model. This would provide an even distribution of students by residential area, with each being provided equal facilities comparable to each other district high school in the diocese.

    However, it isn't a perfect world, and family ties, athletic advantage, and outside influences weigh in.

    I would like to see the diocese institute a standard, across-the-board method of determining tuition assistance. Some of us (or just us) send out applicants' financial information to an outside company which makes the determination for us. Most others however, determine the need and assistance in-house. This allows outside influences (superior athletes/preferred students status) to enter into the decision making process and could influence funding distribution. .

    There are other ways to get around tuition assistance - Work Study Programs.

    Are work-study programs being used to legitimately allow a needy student to earn tuition dollars through after-school programs? Certainly most are, but are all beneficiaries who are a credit to their school in other areas (athletics/academics) actually performing the duties that are paying his/her tuition, OR are work-study programs being used to cover up actual assistance allowing a superior athlete to attend that particular school???? This is not an accusation, simply a legitimate question (fueled by rumor and innuendo) that should be looked in to.

    As the famous line from "All The Presdent's Men" advised - Follow the money!!!
    Which NKY Catholic schools do it differently than Brossart when it comes to financial assistance?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clyde View Post
    Which NKY Catholic schools do it differently than Brossart when it comes to financial assistance?
    NCC and CovCath are two that come to mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    NCC and CovCath are two that come to mind.
    I thought CCH used the 3rd party as well.

    Website says they use an organization called FACTS to determine assistance.

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    Mustang, you have hit the nail squarely on the head sir. Some folks who are nit picking in another thread around here would do well to pay heed to your observations. While there is a large contingent of folks who love to cry that EVERY private school is a morass of illegal tactics, the real truth is that the vast, vast majority play by the rules and work at doing so. Are there inherent advantages in being private? Of course there are. But by becoming a member of a VOLUNTARY athletics body like the KHSAA they have agreed to abide by the rules as they are set forth to govern that organization and it is a FACT (a term being very loosely defined at times by some folks) that the majority of private schools do indeed follow said rules. The fact that there are private schools involved in complaints against another private school should give you some inkling as to the seriousness and the type of allegations that are being made. Mustang, I applaud you for your comments, however I would expect nothing less from you and your school. Class act, always have been and with Mr. Ridder at the helm, I suspect you always will be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clyde View Post
    I thought CCH used the 3rd party as well.

    Website says they use an organization called FACTS to determine assistance.
    NCC uses FACTS as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clyde View Post
    I thought CCH used the 3rd party as well.

    Website says they use an organization called FACTS to determine assistance.
    CCH does use third party to make determinations on financial assistance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theguru View Post
    The Diocese of Covington is in charge of all the Catholic High Schools in NKY, correct?

    If so, why hasn't the Diocese of Covington handled the alleged infighting and alleged recruiting among their schools long before it ended up in the hands of the KHSAA?

    It seems to me if there were any issues among the NKY Catholic High Schools the first stop for any of those schools would be Superintendent Mike Clines and not the KHSAA.

    Anyone?
    As I understand it, Mr. Clines definitely doesn't like to be troubled with anything as trivial as questions about admissions when he's way up in his ivory tower. That's what he hires principals for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawildcat View Post
    NCC uses FACTS as well.
    I then stand corrected and applaud the fact that it appears we are all on the same page of using a third party organization to determine need.
    A step in the right direction.

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    RCC9 Kids go to private Schools in FT then go to Highlands for High School, NCC may lose 10 to 20 to Highlands a year so what.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dennis12b View Post
    RCC9 Kids go to private Schools in FT then go to Highlands for High School, NCC may lose 10 to 20 to Highlands a year so what.
    I understand that and have no issues with that. Kids go from Ft Thomas schools go to NCC too. Again, I don't care where kids go to school...as long as it's done within the rules. I have absolutely no problem with a kid going to an open enrollment diocese school from a private school. I have no problem with a kid going to public and then choosing private for high school. And I have no problem with a private school kid choosing a public school for high school. I have no issue with any of that and any other scenario anyone can think of that includes following the rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clyde View Post
    I thought CCH used the 3rd party as well.

    Website says they use an organization called FACTS to determine assistance.
    Quote Originally Posted by lawildcat View Post
    NCC uses FACTS as well.
    Quote Originally Posted by kinglouie View Post
    CCH does use third party to make determinations on financial assistance.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    I then stand corrected and applaud the fact that it appears we are all on the same page of using a third party organization to determine need.
    A step in the right direction.
    Does the fact that CCH and NCC use FACTS make it a fact that FACTS is the only facts NCC and CCH use to determine financial assistance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by theguru View Post
    Does the fact that CCH and NCC use FACTS make it a fact that FACTS is the only facts NCC and CCH use to determine financial assistance?
    Tuition Information - Newport Central Catholic High School

    Tuition Rates

    The tuition cost for the 2015-2016 school year is $6,300. This rate applies to students whose families are members of any parish within the Diocese of Covington. Tuition for 2014-2015 was $6,080.

    Students who do not belong to any parish pay a tuition rate of $7,150. This rate is also effective for any students belonging to parishes in other dioceses (i.e. Archdiocese of Cincinnati, Archdiocese of Indianapolis, etc.). In the 2014-2015 school year, this was $6,890.

    In addition to tuition, required fees generally total about $600.

    Some tuition discounts are available according to the plan of payment (see point five [5] under Tuition Policies below).

    Tuition reductions are provided for families with more than one child attending Newport Central Catholic. Currently, families are required to pay full tuition for the first child; they receive a $600 reduction for the second child; there is a $900 reduction for the third child (additional to be determined based on tuition assistance information), and the fourth and any subsequent children receive free tuition. This grant is automatically available.

    Tuition Policies

    The tuition philosophy of the NCC School Board is to charge the lowest possible tuition. Our policies also require that all tuition be collected. The following policies also pertain to tuition and enrollment.

    No student will start attending NCC while still owing tuition to another school.
    Every family must sign up for a FACTS account to pay tuition and fees in the 2015-2016 school year. FACTS is the tuition management company used by NCC.
    NCC must be furnished a copy of any legal documentation that details the responsibility of each guardian for tuition.
    There will be a $30 service charge for any returned check.
    Tuition must be paid using one of the following plans.
    Plan 1: Full annual tuition with a $100 discount if paid by July 5th
    Plan 2: One-half payment of tuition on July 5th and one-half payment on December 5th with a $25 discount each time
    Plan 3: Ten equal payments of tuition beginning July 5th and ending April 5th with a $50 late charge if received after the fifth of the month
    Plan 4: Eleven equal payments of tuition beginning June 5th and ending April 5th with a $50 late charge if received after the fifth of the month
    Any exceptions to the above policies must be presented to the finance committee of the NCC School Board in writing for consideration and approval.

    Tuition Assistance Program

    During the 1994-1995 school year, NCC established a Tuition Assistance Program. To qualify for aid, families must complete a FACTS student aid form. These forms can be accessed through your FACTS account by logging in via this link. Those seeking additional details regarding this program should contact NCC Business Manager, Jeff Schulkens, at (859) 292-0001, ext. 11.

    Work Study Program

    Students are able to earn a portion of their tuition through the student Work Study Program. In this program, students perform light cleaning and maintenance duties generally after school. The money they earn is credited to their school tuition account. An average student can earn up to about $600 for his or her tuition. Students can participate in this program by parent request and if they qualify through an evaluation of family income.

    NCC Scholarships

    Incoming freshmen are eligible for scholarships based on their performance on the High School Placement Test (HSPT). Some scholarships are also available to students from all grade levels based on need, merit, and other criteria. Visit this page to view all scholarship opportunities.

    For Further Information

    For additional information, clarification, or questions related to tuition rates, policies, discounts, or programs, please contact the NCC Business Manager, Jeff Schulkens, by calling the school’s main office at (859) 292-0001.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawildcat View Post
    Tuition Information - Newport Central Catholic High School

    Tuition Rates

    The tuition cost for the 2015-2016 school year is $6,300. This rate applies to students whose families are members of any parish within the Diocese of Covington. Tuition for 2014-2015 was $6,080.

    Students who do not belong to any parish pay a tuition rate of $7,150. This rate is also effective for any students belonging to parishes in other dioceses (i.e. Archdiocese of Cincinnati, Archdiocese of Indianapolis, etc.). In the 2014-2015 school year, this was $6,890.

    In addition to tuition, required fees generally total about $600.

    Some tuition discounts are available according to the plan of payment (see point five [5] under Tuition Policies below).

    Tuition reductions are provided for families with more than one child attending Newport Central Catholic. Currently, families are required to pay full tuition for the first child; they receive a $600 reduction for the second child; there is a $900 reduction for the third child (additional to be determined based on tuition assistance information), and the fourth and any subsequent children receive free tuition. This grant is automatically available.

    Tuition Policies

    The tuition philosophy of the NCC School Board is to charge the lowest possible tuition. Our policies also require that all tuition be collected. The following policies also pertain to tuition and enrollment.

    No student will start attending NCC while still owing tuition to another school.
    Every family must sign up for a FACTS account to pay tuition and fees in the 2015-2016 school year. FACTS is the tuition management company used by NCC.
    NCC must be furnished a copy of any legal documentation that details the responsibility of each guardian for tuition.
    There will be a $30 service charge for any returned check.
    Tuition must be paid using one of the following plans.
    Plan 1: Full annual tuition with a $100 discount if paid by July 5th
    Plan 2: One-half payment of tuition on July 5th and one-half payment on December 5th with a $25 discount each time
    Plan 3: Ten equal payments of tuition beginning July 5th and ending April 5th with a $50 late charge if received after the fifth of the month
    Plan 4: Eleven equal payments of tuition beginning June 5th and ending April 5th with a $50 late charge if received after the fifth of the month
    Any exceptions to the above policies must be presented to the finance committee of the NCC School Board in writing for consideration and approval.

    Tuition Assistance Program

    During the 1994-1995 school year, NCC established a Tuition Assistance Program. To qualify for aid, families must complete a FACTS student aid form. These forms can be accessed through your FACTS account by logging in via this link. Those seeking additional details regarding this program should contact NCC Business Manager, Jeff Schulkens, at (859) 292-0001, ext. 11.

    Work Study Program

    Students are able to earn a portion of their tuition through the student Work Study Program. In this program, students perform light cleaning and maintenance duties generally after school. The money they earn is credited to their school tuition account. An average student can earn up to about $600 for his or her tuition. Students can participate in this program by parent request and if they qualify through an evaluation of family income.

    NCC Scholarships

    Incoming freshmen are eligible for scholarships based on their performance on the High School Placement Test (HSPT). Some scholarships are also available to students from all grade levels based on need, merit, and other criteria. Visit this page to view all scholarship opportunities.

    For Further Information

    For additional information, clarification, or questions related to tuition rates, policies, discounts, or programs, please contact the NCC Business Manager, Jeff Schulkens, by calling the school’s main office at (859) 292-0001.
    You could have made it simple and just said No.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theguru View Post
    I think anytime two or more Diocese schools are at odds with each other it is definitely a Diocese matter unless the Diocese chooses to ignore some KHSAA rules.

    I see a glaring leadership issue here.
    Why do you assume there isn't a parallel investigation going on ? Pretty short sighted to think that there isn't, right ?

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