What are the real (and unavoidable) private school advantages?

Page 12 of Originally Posted by HDE Yes they do. I was talking about both. Sure we all have an advantage. We have more community support. Thats not an advantage w... 210 comments | 9016 Views | Go to page 1 →

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinity alum
    Huh? I'm not sure what you just said, but I'll try to interpret. Students at Trinity can be expelled if they dmonstrate that they are not willing to follow the rules. When did I say never? I'm not sure what your last sentence is trying to say, but if by referring to the wall of shame you are implying something about expulsions you are mistaken. As I recall, the wall of shame was an action by a football coach, more than thirty years ago, that listed people that quit the football team. I'm not sure of the relevance.

    Let me be clear. All are welcome at Trinity. The school will do more than its part to aid their success. There are some that don't want to be there. They don't have to be.
    The Wall of Shame seemingly strikes against the very tenets of a Trinity mission statement.
    If they do not wnat to be there they do not have to be. Exactly. However, we have something in this country called compulsory school attendence. If they do not want to be at Trinity, then who gets the opportunity to educate these people?
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    Quote Originally Posted by letabrotherspeak
    So if Brian Brohm gets drafted #1 and wants to donate 1 million dollars to Trinity for upgrades...that is a great windfall and I would assume Trinity cna do with it what they like.
    If Shaun Alexander wants to give his alma mater 350K for a new playing surface at the football field he can....uh No.
    Boone County can not do that by law. Trinity on the other hnd can.
    What if the owner of Golds Gym wants to dump a million into Lex Cath's coffers like he did to build baseball/football complex with turf...he can.
    At a public shool ...particularly the county schools this can not be done.
    That is an advatage that many speak of in regards to raising funds.
    How many times has a private school benefitted from bingos and other festivals with booster groups in the past? I would say many. You cannot do that at public schools. I am speaking of athletic funding...

    You have a point there but at the time its not like publics schools start with zero tax dollars for their atheletic programs and then on top of that they can't fund raise. There are more than likely HUNDREDS of public schools that have a better football stadium than St.X. I dont exactly see how that is possible if they arent getting their fair share of tax dollars for the football program along with fundraising.

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    Quote Originally Posted by letabrotherspeak
    Probably a lot easier since "due process" is not the order of the day.
    What if one of those 1,400 had an IEP that commits arson at your school and you cannot kick the student out because he is a special needs student? If someone attempted arson at Trinity, how long would they last?

    Not having to deal with "problem" students is an advantage the private school has. How that is an advantage on the football field.... You got me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DELTA Rotary
    Not having to deal with "problem" students is an advantage the private school has. How that is an advantage on the football field.... You got me.

    You draw students from parents who don't want their children to have to associate with those "problem" students. Some of those you draw are football players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Professor
    You need to take a tour of some of the poor areas of the state and see what they have from the "bottomless pit of tax dollars" you mention. You would probably change your opinion a little. The county I live in has just one high school. It doesn't have a drama class, a band, a music teacher, an art class, to name a few classes that other schools take for granted. Also, most schools have a nice, roomy auditorium to have their meetings and assemblies for their students,...but not our school...we can't afford it. They meet in the gym...sitting in the bleachers....looking at scoreboards and basketball goals.
    We are a public school in a small populated mountain county (119th in the state). We are one of the "have nots".

    The advantage that a private school has over a poor rural or urban school is no different than that of a public school in a rich area. It has nothing to do with the school being private. Many public schools in Louisville have had better football facilites than X and T for years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HDE
    You draw students from parents who don't want their children to have to associate with those "problem" students. Some of those you draw are football players.


    Thats a bit of a stretch. The same "advantage," if you can call it that, can be had at both Male or Manual so the point is moot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DELTA Rotary
    Thats a bit of a stretch. The same "advantage," if you can call it that, can be had at both Male or Manual so the point is moot.

    That's probably true about Male and Manual, but the point is hardly moot. It's a huge advantage over 98 percent of the public schools in Kentucky.

    The rest of the state can't draw the best and brightest from a county the size of Jefferson and send back the ones you don't want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by letabrotherspeak
    So if Brian Brohm gets drafted #1 and wants to donate 1 million dollars to Trinity for upgrades...that is a great windfall and I would assume Trinity cna do with it what they like.
    If Shaun Alexander wants to give his alma mater 350K for a new playing surface at the football field he can....uh No.
    Boone County can not do that by law. Trinity on the other hnd can.
    What if the owner of Golds Gym wants to dump a million into Lex Cath's coffers like he did to build baseball/football complex with turf...he can.
    At a public shool ...particularly the county schools this can not be done.
    That is an advatage that many speak of in regards to raising funds.
    How many times has a private school benefitted from bingos and other festivals with booster groups in the past? I would say many. You cannot do that at public schools. I am speaking of athletic funding...
    What law prevents public schools from accepting donations? What law prevents booster clubs from raising funds? Someone needs to tell Greg Stumbo that the JCPS are blatant lawbreakers because it happens all the time over here. And to all the Rams on this site, those bricks you guys bought will have to go. LABS says they are against the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HDE
    The rest of the state can't draw the best and brightest from a county the size of Jefferson and send back the ones you don't want.
    Well, it took 5 pages and probably 20 different threads, but someone finally pegged the true advantage that Private schools enjoy - in a single sentence.

    I have stayed out of the public/private debate, and will continue to do so - but this one sentence clearly (and succinctly) captures the root of the "uneven playing field" that is at the heart of this argument.

    For the debate of Public versus Private to come to any meaningful resolution, both sides must find some common ground from which to start - and this is it. Regardless of which side of the Public/Private debate you are on, if you cannot admit that this is an advantage (and a BIG one), then there is no reason to continue the debate. If either side cannot (or will not) recognize this, any (and every) resolution of the problem is doomed to fail.

    It is not unlike lying on your scorecard during a round of golf, then being stumped as to why you never really get any better at the game.

    In my opinion, all other issues are simply red herrings.

    Thanks,
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    I read your point loud and clear Frances. If we can get a majority of public school supporters to agree with you, I'd be thrilled to respond.

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    To be honest with you Fastbreak, I have absolutely no intention of participating in this seemingly unending debate.

    This issue is much like religion, politics, abortion, homosexual rights, etc. in that it has no attainable resolution that will satisfy both sides. Everyone with a functioning brain stem and an interest in this issue has an opinion, and almost no one is going to change their position.

    Thanks,
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    I believe that is exactly what I have been trying to relay the whole time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldschoolwrestler
    I believe that is exactly what I have been trying to relay the whole time.
    LOL - I am more than a little amused to read most of these threads and I am amazed that most of them don't break down into name calling, insult laden rants.

    Frances

    PS - actually, some of the posts (on both sides) do come awfully close to doing just that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frances Bavier
    To be honest with you Fastbreak, I have absolutely no intention of participating in this seemingly unending debate.
    Dang!

    Quote Originally Posted by Frances Bavier
    This issue is much like religion, politics, abortion, homosexual rights, etc. in that it has no attainable resolution that will satisfy both sides. Everyone with a functioning brain stem and an interest in this issue has an opinion, and almost no one is going to change their position.
    True dat...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frances Bavier
    LOL - I am more than a little amused to read most of these threads and I am amazed that most of them don't break down into name calling, insult laden rants.

    Frances

    PS - actually, some of the posts (on both sides) do come awfully close to doing just that.
    That's what makes it so intriguing.

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