Page 4 of Originally Posted by woodsrider What evidence? The only evidence they had was Zimmerman's story and an eye witness that saw half of what happened. And ... 185 comments | 5798 Views | Go to page 1 →
Mar 28, 12, 03:03 PM #46FC, so it's typical behavior of those not looking for trouble to refer to young African Americans as "coons"?Advertisement
Mar 28, 12, 03:15 PM #47
If someone hit me and then was on top of me slamming my head against the ground, I would probably fear for my life and if I had a gun I guarantee I would use it.
One point we can agree on is I don’t know the whole truth either, but there seems to be a lot more to this case than the sensational media headlines of “white man kills unarmed black kid” indicates. I’m willing to let the investigation takes its course before hanging Zimmerman in the public square, which is what some seem to want.
Mar 28, 12, 03:20 PM #48
Mar 28, 12, 03:23 PM #49^Have you listened to the recording? It seems pretty clear to me. And I had no idea he said it when I first listened to the tape. Heard it clear as day the first time I listened.
Mar 28, 12, 03:32 PM #50
Not respect, but motivation. It is reasonable to assume that he was motivated to follow Trayvon because he was part of the neighborhood watch.
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Mar 28, 12, 04:00 PM #53How about saying "I'm visiting my Dad and went to the store to buy some skittles"?
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Mar 28, 12, 05:53 PM #58
Did Zimmerman use poor judgment getting out of his car instead of waiting for the police? Maybe he did, although didn't we just have a thread in some forum complaining about the poor/long response time by police? Do we know if Zimmerman had experienced similar poor response times from the police? If there are unsolved burglaries in the neighborhood, do you let a possible suspect possibly just walk away while you sit in your car and wait for the police? Given that Zimmerman supposedly said something to the effect of "These A**holes always get away" is it possible that he's reported suspicious people to the police in the past and the police didn't respond in time? Might that have played a role in why he got out of the car and evidently approached Martin?
The 16 year old friend of Martin that he was talking to on the phone before the altercation allegedly said that once Martin realized Zimmerman was watching him, he pulled up his hoodie and walked fast to get away from Zimmerman. If that's true, that doesn't make him more suspicious to a person looking for suspicious people in the neighborhood? Mex raises a fair question that I don't think has been fully answered: what authority does a community watch person have? Although I did find this info in an article: "Zimmerman violated major principles of the Neighborhood Watch manual, ABC News has learned. The manual from the Neighborhood Watch program states: 'It should be emphasized to members that they do not possess police powers. And they shall not carry weapons or pursue vehicles.'" If accurate Zimmerman clearly violated the manual concerning carrying a weapon.
Does walking up to someone and asking them who they are and what they are doing in the neighborhood constitute the exercise of police powers? Do we conclusively know what transpired between Martin and Zimmerman? Will we ever know? If your neighborhood had been burglarized recently and you saw someone that you thought was suspicious in the neighborhood (particularly after they pulled up their hoodie in a possible attempt to conceal their identity and walked fast to get away from you), wouldn't you approach that person and ask them what they were doing and who they were? I know I would. Personally I don't find that behavior, IF that's what happened, all that unusual. If I did approach a person to ask who they were and what they were doing in my neighborhood and that person proceeded to punch me in the face and then slam my head into the ground, I'd probably shoot him or her. Folks get killed by bare hands every day folks. I'm not saying that's what transpired between Martin and Zimmerman. I can't. Likewise from what I've read, folks can't say it didn't happen that way.
If you are correct in asserting that the investigation was done poorly, how can you conclude that he should have been arrested? If the investigatin was done so poorly, how can the lead detective conclude that Zimmerman should have been arrested? Aren't US citizens only subject to arrest after the govt has concluded that there is probable cause to believe that the person committed a crime? Maybe I've missed them, but what facts, hard facts, are there to conclude that there was probable cause to arrest Zimmerman? The fact that a young man was shot? That's not probable cause to arrest someone. It's a reason for an investigation but not probable cause for an arrest. If the investigation was done as poorly as suggested, how could the govt have probable cause to believe a crime was committed? Take him in for questioning, I'll agree with you. That should have been done if the police were not satisfied with what they observed and heard at the scene. But so far I'm not convinced that I've seen or read of any evidence concluding that there is probable cause that a crime was committed by Zimmerman and I'm a former prosecutor for goodness sakes (other than perhaps the crime of having a weapon on him and I think I've read that he had a carry concealed permit, and even if he didn't have a permit, is there any evidence that the police or anyone else observed him carrying the weapon in a concealed manner?)
Look, I'm not saying Zimmerman did commit a crime or didn't commit a crime, so don't interpret this post as a defense of Zimmerman. It is not, other than perhaps of the fact that I'd have probably approached Martin myself if I had been in that situation. I've got zero clue at this point whether Zimmerman murdered Martin. But I've practiced law long enough (including time as a prosecutor) to know that rarely are all the facts known or disclosed to the public.
Mar 28, 12, 05:56 PM #59
Mar 28, 12, 09:24 PM #60Seems like Trayvon is being put into a new light.
Got caught with pot residu.
Got caught with flathead screwdriver and women's jewlery
Vandalizing lockers with graffitii
Plus show us an updated photo of him not one of him when he was like 12 or 13 yrs old.
Multiple suspensions paint complicated portrait of Trayvon Martin - Trayvon Martin - MiamiHerald.com