Trayvon Martin case? More about justice or race?

Originally Posted by FC

Because it is part of the official police report. Yes, it is Zimmerman’s statement, but his injuries would indicate he was attacked.

If someone hit me and then was on top of me slamming my head against the ground, I would probably fear for my life and if I had a gun I guarantee I would use it.

One point we can agree on is I don’t know the whole truth either, but there seems to be a lot more to this case than the sensational media headlines of “white man kills unarmed black kid” indicates. I’m willing to let the investigation takes its course before hanging Zimmerman in the public square, which is what some seem to want.

VIDEO: Surveillance Footage Shows No Bleeding, Bruising On George Zimmerman | National Confidential

Does he look like he was "attacked?" It's not easy to tell but his image on the video doesn't look like someone who just had a scuffle for his life and had to shoot someone. Maybe it's just me.

Originally Posted by mountain ref

Seems like Trayvon is being put into a new light.

Got caught with pot residu.
Got caught with flathead screwdriver and women's jewlery
Vandalizing lockers with graffitii

Plus show us an updated photo of him not one of him when he was like 12 or 13 yrs old.
Multiple suspensions paint complicated portrait of Trayvon Martin - Trayvon Martin - MiamiHerald.com

You might also want to check into Mr. Zimmerman's past as well.

Originally Posted by Hatz

VIDEO: Surveillance Footage Shows No Bleeding, Bruising On George Zimmerman | National Confidential

Does he look like he was "attacked?" It's not easy to tell but his image on the video doesn't look like someone who just had a scuffle for his life and had to shoot someone. Maybe it's just me.

I am not on Zimmerman's side here, but that video is shown 4 hours following the incident. According to the police report he received first aid treatment. I cannot draw the conclusion from this video if any type of altercation occurred or did not.

Originally Posted by bugatti

I am not on Zimmerman's side here, but that video is shown 4 hours following the incident. According to the police report he received first aid treatment. I cannot draw the conclusion from this video if any type of altercation occurred or did not.

I have a problem with his demeanor, no blood on any clothing and there are no visible marks of any kind. First Aid or not I would think the nose would be swollen, and anytime I've had a facial (or any contact) with some concrete there are scrapes and marks that only long time can clear up. That's what is making me suspicious of the whole affair.

Welp, the media has basically ensured that any impartial jurist will have had to have been in North Korea for the past two weeks.

Originally Posted by mexitucky

Welp, the media has basically ensured that any impartial jurist will have had to have been in North Korea for the past two weeks.

Absolutely. I could see it being deadlocked. Whichever lawyer wins the jury pool selection part of the process wins. I can honestly say I would make a decision based on the evidence presented to me but I think a large percentage of people already have their minds made up regardless of what truths the evidence may hold.

Originally Posted by UKMustangFan

^Have you listened to the recording? It seems pretty clear to me. And I had no idea he said it when I first listened to the tape. Heard it clear as day the first time I listened.

Unless you heard a different recording then I did it's far from clear as day. He said f-ing something. Either coon or goon. It's as to guess which one.

The authorities have allowed this to become a national circus. By not getting this case into the justice system quickly it is now a mess.

Trayvon Martin Investigator Wanted to Charge George Zimmerman With Manslaughter - ABC News

But Sanford, Fla., Investigator Chris Serino was instructed to not press charges against Zimmerman because the state attorney's office headed by Norman Wolfinger determined there wasn't enough evidence to lead to a conviction, the sources told ABC News.

Isn't the bolded part of the quote from the article above is what grand juries are for?

Let Zimmerman be convicted or cleared via the process - not the media and national politicians.

Originally Posted by Hatz

I have a problem with his demeanor, no blood on any clothing and there are no visible marks of any kind. First Aid or not I would think the nose would be swollen, and anytime I've had a facial (or any contact) with some concrete there are scrapes and marks that only long time can clear up. That's what is making me suspicious of the whole affair.

Is one allowed to change clothes or anything in the hours following an investigation? I am not saying that to defend him, I honestly do not know. If they had examined and treated him would he be allowed to change?

Originally Posted by bugatti

Is one allowed to change clothes or anything in the hours following an investigation? I am not saying that to defend him, I honestly do not know. If they had examined and treated him would he be allowed to change?

I'm not sure why there's the expectation that there should be blood on his shirt. How do we know his jacket wasn't zipped up with fight occurred. Also when they get him out of the car one of the officer clearly looks at something on the back of his head.

Originally Posted by woodsrider

I'm not sure why there's the expectation that there should be blood on his shirt. How do we know his jacket wasn't zipped up with fight occurred. Also when they get him out of the car one of the officer clearly looks at something on the back of his head.

I am not trying to play Law and Order here, I was just genuinely curious. If you are in any altercation and blood all over your shirt, seems like you would be allowed to put on a fresh outfit once picture are taken, report is filed, etc. Especially 4 hours later. I would not want the crap all over me. From a health standpoint you would not want that all over you. More than anything if they were in as close proximity as everyone says they were, I find it hard nothing would be on him, grass stains or not. That is why I assumed he had changed by then.

Not saying that is the case here. Just looking at the film, no it does not appear by what he is wearing anything occurred. But I am not going to base anything in this case off of that video.

I wonder if there was a "mug shot"? Would there be if he wasn't arrested? I don't see anything on the video either, but it's hard to see much of anything from the angle and distance.

Originally Posted by FC

I wonder if there was a "mug shot"? Would there be if he wasn't arrested? I don't see anything on the video either, but it's hard to see much of anything from the angle and distance.

I agree. People will see on the videow what they want to see. The video is so ambiguous it's like looking at a cloud and seeing a dragon, while I see a sailboat.

Surely his shirt would be covered in blood if Martin was on top of him and he shot him in the chest. Why wouldn't his shirt be in evidence?

Originally Posted by True blue (and gold)

Surely his shirt would be covered in blood if Martin was on top of him and he shot him in the chest. Why wouldn't his shirt be in evidence?

My guess would be b/c he admitted to the killing already. I'm not sure what the shirt would prove unless one of the parties is trying to prove/disprove something in the struggle. Even then, I'm not sure how you could prove or disclaim a fact based on the shirt alone

Originally Posted by True blue (and gold)

Surely his shirt would be covered in blood if Martin was on top of him and he shot him in the chest. Why wouldn't his shirt be in evidence?

Not necessarily. I think people have an unrealistic idea of what a bullet does when hits flesh. You don't have the explosion of blood like on TV.

Zimmerman’s coat is 80% red/orange. Was it open or closed during the attack? Depends on the type and caliber of the weapon and where he was shot. Usually, the exit wound , if there is one, is larger.

Originally Posted by woodsrider

Not necessarily. I think people have an unrealistic idea of what a bullet does when hits flesh. You don't have the explosion of blood like on TV.

Saturated, no, but there would be blood spatter.

Shouldn't they be able to tell whether he shot Martin while on the ground or while standing?

The funeral home director says Trayvon had no bruises or scuff marks on his body. Other than the 9 mm slug he took. Therefore, the funeral hoem director was suggesting that trayvon did not hit anyone hard enough to break a nose or anything like Zimmerman suggested. I'd say a caretaker at a funeral home is as credible as any forensics experts that will be involved in this investigation.