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    Quote Originally Posted by rockmom
    It seems to me that pride for one's program, being proud of being successful and pride in knowing that WE created our OWN destiny with no help from the government is mistaken for arrogance.
    I would agree that privates SHOULD be proud of what they have accomplished.

    Where it changes into arrogance is when the thought that the Sweet 16 and the KHSAA will fail without the private schools. I believe the Sweet 16 has been around more than the last 10 years when the private schools began dominating. When the state tournament trophy that existed long before some of these private schools existed will be tarnished because they are not part of it.

    Not sure how the playoff systems would even look like to determine whether each would have a Sweet 16 or what.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderstruck
    Yes that is a very astute comment. But there is only one problem with it....the KHSAA stand for Kentucky High School ATHLETIC Association. Not acadmeic.....I love it when somebody makes such a informed statement. Obviously Louisville voters are well informed too......

    Maybe if you put the KHSAA in charge of academics we would be better but at least we could be no worse.....
    Arrogance, huh? If you'll check the bold print above I guess you can see that ol' anti-Louisville arrogance coming out again too. :flame:

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigStud
    Its very simple as educators you have decided to give your students the wrong message. Instead of working to get better all they have to do is get people kicked out of the equation.

    Its called the Real World mam, maybe some should come join it.

    If I go for interview I can't complain that a guy comes from a nicer family and can afford a better suit or wait thats not fair he has a degree from Harvard he can't apply for a job with me.

    I got a 93 on my test, but that rich kid got a 96 but that don't count cause he has an advantage over me , I really got the highest grade.

    Its a joke pure and simple, public educators are hypocrites.
    Not saying the two are equal but look at society.

    We have affirmative action. Baseball fines a team that does not interview a minority before hiring a manager. We have low standards for firefighters of a minority group than other groups. We have special scholarships for special groups.

    Lowering standards to allow others to compete IS THE REAL WORLD. Is it right or wrong. Probably wrong and that is debate for another thread but it is the real world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ladiesbballcoach
    Not saying the two are equal but look at society.

    We have affirmative action. Baseball fines a team that does not interview a minority before hiring a manager. We have low standards for firefighters of a minority group than other groups. We have special scholarships for special groups.

    Lowering standards to allow others to compete IS THE REAL WORLD. Is it right or wrong. Probably wrong and that is debate for another thread but it is the real world.

    Man, and you guys called ME a Communist!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockmom
    Man, and you guys called ME a Communist!
    Hey I said it was wrong in my post, just said it is the real world in today's America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinity alum
    Well then let's have a separate class for Baptists. Let's have a separate class for the middle class. Let's have a separate class for the poor. They are already trying to set up a class for Know Nothings.

    I am not an attorney, but let's look at what I see as the basis for a law suit.

    1. The KHSAA is an agent of state government. The courts have already ruled on this in an open records case. This places a much higher burden on the KHSAA than state associations that are voluntary associations to avoid discriminatory practices.

    2. The KHSAA has passed a rule that says that member schools cannot play against schools that are not members of their state organisations. Therefore membership in the KHSAA is required in order to participate in high school athletics in Kentuucky.

    3. The separation of the KHSAA into private and public divisions is arbitrary, discriminatory and without logical basis. The vast majority of the private schools have demonstrated NO athletic advantage, yet these schools are segregated into a separate category.

    4. Public schools that have demonstrated high athletic achievement and which have most, if not all, of the private school advantages are not being segregated into a separate category. Thus the division is arbitrary.

    5. The private school playoffs will consist of fewer rounds of competition than the public school playoffs, thus depriving the private schools of the opportunity to earn much needed revenue and causing irreparable harm.

    6. The private schools that are being segregated into a separate class are primarily faith based institutions. The segregation is an effort on the part of public school administrators to discriminate against faith based instituions.

    These are just a few things off the top of my head.

    Anyone else care to add?
    My only response to legality is that Tenn. has done it and are still doing it. It must pass the legality issue, i'm sure it has been taken to court already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldschoolwrestler
    My only response to legality is that Tenn. has done it and are still doing it. It must pass the legality issue, i'm sure it has been taken to court already.
    I don't believe that the THSAA is part of state government. It is a voluntary group. That is a profound difference. The courts have already ruled that the KHSAA is a state agency. I'm not an expert, but I think Kentucky is a little unusual in that regard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigershark
    I think that all Private School supporters should decided to stop giving money to the public school scholarship fund, which by the way also goes to athletes.

    If you are having trouble figuring it out, We should not have to pay the percentage of our State Tax that goes to Education. It is obviously not being spent properly, look at the quality of our Public Schools, so they shouldn’t miss our donations.
    Hmm I want my U.S. tax dollars returned also becuase they are going to spend it in New Orleans, who didn't spend their tax dollars well either.

    I also want it back becuase the welfare system is in shambles ect. ect. ect.

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    I've said it before and I'll say it again.

    Get rid of compulsory education. This would solve all our problems. Make the schools responsible for recruiting their own kids and raising money to pay teachers. Have everyone pay for their education, or earn government scolarships.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ladiesbballcoach
    I would say that those who voted see not much if any difference between this creation of a new class of playoffs between telling Beechwood that they cannot and are not expected to compete with St. X for a football title.

    Don't forget-

    Some Public schools have advantages over some private schools. Some private schools have more advantages over public schools.

    Example- Male high school has more and better athletes and better facilities then Owensboro Catholic. Who is at a disadvantage?

    Example- St.X has more(better) athletes and better facilities then Bowling Green. Who has the advantage?

    Bowling Green played St.X to a stand still and is 3A. Why were they able to play a team so tight and that same team has been destroying other 4-A powerhouses?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderstruck
    Yes that is a very astute comment. But there is only one problem with it....the KHSAA stand for Kentucky High School ATHLETIC Association. Not acadmeic.....I love it when somebody makes such a informed statement. Obviously Louisville voters are well informed too......
    It seems that you love it so much that you made one yourself. I'd encourage you to re-read the statement by Senator Tim Shaughnessy.

    He said "If the superintendents If the superintendents… would bring the same commitment to education…Kentucky wouldn’t be 50th in just about everything.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rambo4343
    Don't forget-

    Some Public schools have advantages over some private schools. Some private schools have more advantages over public schools.

    Example- Male high school has more and better athletes and better facilities then Owensboro Catholic. Who is at a disadvantage?

    Example- St.X has more(better) athletes and better facilities then Bowling Green. Who has the advantage?

    Bowling Green played St.X to a stand still and is 3A. Why were they able to play a team so tight and that same team has been destroying other 4-A powerhouses?
    St.X 17 Manual-7
    St.X 28 PRP-21

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