The problem really is just Trinity & Saint X., right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigStud
    Maybe you should look at the small private grade schools in Covington. There are a large number of students on reduced lunches and financial aid at Prince of Peace, Holy Family, and St.Augustine. All these kids live inside of Covington and in the same neighborhoods the Holmes kids grew up in and then they attend Covington Holy Cross.

    Students at Ryle,Dixie Heights, and Scott are anything but poverty strung students.
    I made the allowance that some public schools are not poverty strung students. And I was addressing more of the HS issues than the grade schools, since the athletic issue is a HS issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 98NCCalum
    What sport has a private school dominated in the last 50 years to warrant being kicked out, it was not for the Louisville "super schools"?
    St. X has won swimming for something like the past 12 years, and Covington Catholic has finished a strong 2nd for something like 10 out of 12.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ladiesbballcoach
    I made the allowance that some public schools are not poverty strung students. And I was addressing more of the HS issues than the grade schools, since the athletic issue is a HS issue.
    Where do you think these grade school kids go, to the private High School in the area. Covinton Holy Cross has more than its fair share of poverty sticken familes to go along with familes that are very well off. If anything I think schools such as NCC and HC allow for much more diversity.

    For every school of "rich" private school students there 2 or 3 public schools to match it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColonelCrazy
    St. X has won swimming for something like the past 12 years, and Covington Catholic has finished a strong 2nd for something like 10 out of 12.

    I agree I adressed the issue of second tier sports.

    The fact is public schools dominate most the big 3 sports titles. The private schools dominate the second tier sports.

    I don't remeber the last time a public school won the Class A State Cross Country title.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ladiesbballcoach
    I agree that there are public schools that have made nice runs. But the facts are that since 1995, 17% of the KHSAA membership has won 41% of the state championships.
    How much of that is because of Boyle County (a PUBLIC School) dominating football for 5 years straight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigStud
    Where do you think these grade school kids go, to the private High School in the area. Covinton Holy Cross has more than its fair share of poverty sticken familes to go along with familes that are very well off. If anything I think schools such as NCC and HC allow for much more diversity.

    For every school of "rich" private school students there 2 or 3 public schools to match it.
    Considering there are 48 private schools and 232 public schools that would not be surprising.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColonelCrazy
    How much of that is because of Boyle County (a PUBLIC School) dominating football for 5 years straight?
    I agree. If you want to take Assumption, Sacred Heart, St. X and Trinity out of the equation and look at what the numbers would be, than take out Highlands, Boyle County, Danville and Beechwood and see what the numbers would be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ladiesbballcoach
    I agree. If you want to take Assumption, Sacred Heart, St. X and Trinity out of the equation and look at what the numbers would be, than take out Highlands, Boyle County, Danville and Beechwood and see what the numbers would be.
    The whole point is both schools has its dominance. The only difference is the system in which catholic schools operate allow them to be successful in most sports. The only way to change success in private schools is not allowing them to have such structured, well coached, and motivated sports programs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigStud
    I think he is saying seperating private and public would wipe out Single A privates.
    Ironic that this post was made when other posters have said that the KHSAA needs the private schools more than the private schools need the KHSAA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ladiesbballcoach
    Ironic that this post was made when other posters have said that the KHSAA needs the private schools more than the private schools need the KHSAA.
    I think small schools privates would struggle if they stayed in KHSAA. But if the left and then changed some rules. They would survive and actually be stronger. Football programs would die maybe , but the basketball, soccer, and baseball programs would get better.

    KHSAA needs Trinity,X,CCH, and Lex Cath more than they need the KHSAA.

    They have national exposure already and they could survive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigStud
    I think small schools privates would struggle if they stayed in KHSAA. But if the left and then changed some rules. They would survive and actually be stronger. Football programs would die maybe , but the basketball, soccer, and baseball programs would get better.

    KHSAA needs Trinity,X,CCH, and Lex Cath more than they need the KHSAA.

    They have national exposure already and they could survive.
    Very possible. Who knows. I find it interesting that some supporters on here can only see how if it affects their schools and their sport and not all the kids at all the schools and all the sports.

    If I had a vote, I am not sure presently, which way I would vote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ladiesbballcoach
    Very possible. Who knows. I find it interesting that some supporters on here can only see how if it affects their schools and their sport and not all the kids at all the schools and all the sports.

    If I had a vote, I am not sure presently, which way I would vote.
    I've admitted private dominace in second tier sports. With the missions of each school and the importance of athletic support, these dominace will almost never go away unless public schools start looking in the mirror.

    Public schools have dominated the Big 3 sports that matter (excpet 4A football), so think its fair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ladiesbballcoach
    I would agree with the two you mention but through Lex Catholic in there. Also, it is not just about state titles, but regional dominance. As I have mentioned NO Class A public school has won the Class A regional title since the early 90's and Walton Verona who is no longer even in region 9. Private schools have passed that trophy around. Brossart has been dominate in basketball in the 10th region on both sides, girls and boys. Track and field has seen Brossart meet with a lot of success.

    Of course you have the whole University Heights issue. Notre Dame has been pretty powerful in volleyball and soccer in NKY. Lex Christian is becoming a powerhouse in several different sports and I believe won the baseball championship this past year. Rose Hill, of course, had the OJ years that gave private schools a black eye. Those are the ones off the top of my head.
    Answer these questions:

    Re the 9th Region All-A private schools passing around the trophy--- Do the public schools in that region fund, coach, and field basketball teams in each school at each grade level including multiple teams if numbers warrant it (some private grade schools might have 4 sixth grade teams) from Grade 3 thru Grade 8? Do the public schools in that region form, fund, and coach First and Second grade teams and play at the Boys/Girls club or at the YMCAs because they do not want to wait until Grade 3? Do the parents of students in the public schools in that region form multiple AAU teams starting in the third grade? Does every public grade school in that region host their own tournament that involves multiple teams playing multiple games and requires parents to work multiple nights over a 2-3 week span?
    There is your answer of how to pass the trophy around.

    Now answer these questions:

    Does public school Fort Thomas Highlands and the city of Fort Thomas field multiple football teams for each grade school level beginning in Grade 3 and continuing thru Grade 8? If numbers warrant it do they add more teams for each grade level so that no child is denied a chance to actually play in games (someone told me they have SIX 5th/6th grade teams this year)? Do they require parents to work concession stands, handle the chains, run the scoreboard? Do they have fund raisers to purchase equiptment? Dos someone organize a program and pictures? Do they encourage parents to help coach teams? Do they have former players come back to help coach and officiate games? Do they hold clinics in the summer?
    There is your answer on how to pass the 3A football trophy around.

    Is there really any difference in the above?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ladiesbballcoach
    Yes I do and I addressed that. Where I think the difference is that the quantity or numbers of those living in poverty and attending a private school do not match those living in poverty and attending some public schools (Highlands would obviously not be one). Are there any private schools that would have 80-90% of the students attending qualify for free/reduced lunch? I really don't believe so.

    Yes, there are motivational factors that will work for some but you know what, I have a family to raise also and I cannot be giving 10-15 hours a week beyond my coaching and teaching responsibilities to do this. I have children to raise and be concerned about. I have a wife to nurture and support. I have my responsibilities and cannot always be giving and giving and giving to everyone but my family.

    And that is where you see a lot of public school coaches getting burned out. From the things you have to do off the court that eats at the time away from our families. ANd why some good public school coaches quit.
    Very Very Very well said LBBC. My sentiments exactly and the one aspect that the private school supporters don't understand.

    APNW:
    If many of the public schools (poor rural and inner city schools mostly) were to require their parents to work concession and so on. Most would not have a team.

    I think that LBBC has experienced the same problems I have. I have driven kids to practice, from practice, to meets, from meets, payed for their food at the meets, given them shose, shorts, t-shirts. Spend outlandish hours with the team, (to the point where my children cry because they don't get to see me). When I ask for help at a home meet I get the same 2-3 parents who show up and help out year after year.

    I ask for one bake good for a bake sale during a home meet and only 4 out of my 9 bring something. Heck if I were to charge for my banquet, (we serve a meal at ours) many if not most would not attend. I have to beg the school to give me some money for it and the rest comes from my pocket.

    Once again it's not the private schools fault, but they must realize they do have advantages. I'm with LBBC on this. If I had a vote I'm not sure how I would vote on it. In my sport (wrestling) private schools don't impact it very much, but I'm looking at the big picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldschoolwrestler
    Very Very Very well said LBBC. My sentiments exactly and the one aspect that the private school supporters don't understand.

    APNW:
    If many of the public schools (poor rural and inner city schools mostly) were to require their parents to work concession and so on. Most would not have a team.

    I think that LBBC has experienced the same problems I have. I have driven kids to practice, from practice, to meets, from meets, payed for their food at the meets, given them shose, shorts, t-shirts. Spend outlandish hours with the team, (to the point where my children cry because they don't get to see me). When I ask for help at a home meet I get the same 2-3 parents who show up and help out year after year.

    I ask for one bake good for a bake sale during a home meet and only 4 out of my 9 bring something. Heck if I were to charge for my banquet, (we serve a meal at ours) many if not most would not attend. I have to beg the school to give me some money for it and the rest comes from my pocket.

    Once again it's not the private schools fault, but they must realize they do have advantages. I'm with LBBC on this. If I had a vote I'm not sure how I would vote on it. In my sport (wrestling) private schools don't impact it very much.
    And after you kick out the private schools there will still be schools with advantages.

    The school I send my kids to will never have the problems you are mentioning.

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