The pot calling the kettle black (the true story of Male, Manual, and Scott County)!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinity alum
    The Title IX argument is a sham. The argument would only make sense if we failed to support the girls programs. In truth, the girls programs are more dominant than the boys. It doesn't wash, its just more excuses. I've asked you several times to offer suggestions of things that might help to level the playing field that you could support. Still waiting.
    But they aren't at the same school. Tell you what, merge Mercy, and St. X and Sacred Heart and Trinity, put them in the same school and you would be right. But when that has happened like with Holy Cross, they don't have the same record or facilites as they did before. Do they?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinity alum
    I'm glad you think I'm cute, but Mrs. Alum is the jealous type. The leagues you just mentioned are not affiliated with JCPS or any other school or school system. Are you trying to tell me that the optimists don't allow Catholics? More things I didn't know. Public schools do not own kids and that includes kids that play in optimists leagues.
    Sure they allow Catholics, I was one of them, but I was also a public school kid. I don't think that they own kids. If you read my post I have been saying that alot!! I think that it is fine for Trinity to go to Optimist games, and CSAA games, but I also think it is fine for Manual and Male to go to those games too. It was Thomam and Old Corps that seemed to think that the rights to kids are owned.

    I am fine with the status qou guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockmom
    So, the money that the former player's parents donated for the field was split and some put in boys sports? I'm not understanding....the field bears her name...did the family donate twice as much as was needed? Was half the amount diverted? How did that work.

    The publis don't have the same kind of support, but why is that? Belfry is a public school, and just built a new stadium. Why could that school do it? Why not divert some of the energy spent on kicking the privates out, into maintaining a strong alumni base? If I'm not mistake, Male has such great facilities due in large part to boosters/alumni. The answer, IMO, is not to kick the privates out, but to find out how they are able to retain the support of so many former students after all these years.
    I agree with what you are saying. But Belfry also is not in a district with 30 other schools that have greater need before them. Equality in the district is a part of the issue. Manual and Male could raise more money but then that money would be taken by the county to be more equally distributed. Schools have to follow certain rules about gifts and fundraising. I am not saying that it can't be done, I am saying that it will not be done because JCPS has too many other things that it is putting on a higher priority and it is easier to write prop 20 then to raise the funds to compete.

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    Quote Originally Posted by All Tell
    And there is an appearance to me and others that schools like Manual and Male draw the best students away from other public schools to their detrement. You tell the private schools that the public schools have a basis for prop 20 based on those appearances and that maybe the private schools should change the way they do things to change those appearances. I'll bet that if it was suggested that a certain percentage of "lower" performing students be admitted to Manual to change the appearance that Manual siphons only the best students from other public schools you would be up in arms.
    Yeah but that is because it has to do with academics and not athletics. An issue that I addressed earlier at length. And also I have said before I don't blame you for being up at arms over the prop, I understand why you are, I just don't see a reason why people felt the need to only call out certian schools when half the state is involved at some level in this, or to jump down my throat personally with insults and petpeeves that you know personally bother me when I agree that prop 20 is a bad thing and I don't support it even though I understand the reasons why my Principle (who is married to the principle at Southern) does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ram95
    Well some things can and do get done that way, but the thing is that if I had the money today to buy Manual field turf for football I couldn't do that without also coming up with an equal amount of money for a girls sport. That is not something Trinity has to face.
    Here's a novel idea, let all of the teams play on the same field. Then it's not a case of one team getting preferential treatment and no title 9 problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by ram95
    What the Catholic Schools have done is awesome and I am jealous, but it will not happen in the public schools for a number of reasons. Manual and Male have decent alumni bases but many schools don't, and even ours are not near as attached to our schools like T and X grads have proven to be. We do have great families and fans and alumni support, but not like the Catholic schools do. That is part of the problem that pro prop 20 people in Jefferson County have, the publics don't have the support in Louisville like your teams do. And even if I wanted to do that, then people from other public schools like some on this board that I won't name would demand that I do the same for all the public schools or Manual should not be allowed to get it because it would not be fair.

    That is why.

    I do agree with you that it is a lame excuse, but that is why. It is easier to just kick you guys out then compete. And if the public schools don't get the other props passed that they think will make it easier to compete they might just pull the trigger. But I don't think they really want to. And I don't think that they should.
    When was Male's stadium built? Not Manual's, Male's. It didn't seem to be an issue then that their stadium would be superior to every other one in the county. Where are the lawsuits demanding that equal facilities be built at every public school?

    Pretty empty excuse if you ask me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by All Tell
    Here's a novel idea, let all of the teams play on the same field. Then it's not a case of one team getting preferential treatment and no title 9 problem.


    When was Male's stadium built? Not Manual's, Male's. It didn't seem to be an issue then that their stadium would be superior to every other one in the county. Where are the lawsuits demanding that equal facilities be built at every public school?

    Pretty empty excuse if you ask me.
    Actually that was a MAJOR issue at the time, you must have not been paying attention to that back then. And heck it kinda still is an issue, lots of schools hate Manual and Male because or the facilities we have...( and you all laugh at them, kinda tells you what the rest of them are like) Lots of public schools were up in arms about it!!! But the thing is, the girls play there too, soccer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ram95
    But they aren't at the same school. Tell you what, merge Mercy, and St. X and Sacred Heart and Trinity, put them in the same school and you would be right. But when that has happened like with Holy Cross, they don't have the same record or facilites as they did before. Do they?
    Actually I would say that since Angela Merici and Bishop David merged they have gotten better. They now have a football field (they diodn't when they were Bishop David. Since it was mandated that all schools play at their proper classification based on enrollment Holy Cross' footbaqll team has been pretty godd but that evil public school from Danville keeps winning the title. Their baseball team won their region last year, their girl's basketball team has been a 6th region power until recently when Butler over took them. Overall it seems that Holy Cross has done all right for themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ram95
    Actually that was a MAJOR issue at the time, you must have not been paying attention to that back then. And heck it kinda still is an issue, lots of schools hate Manual and Male because or the facilities we have...( and you all laugh at them, kinda tells you what the rest of them are like) Lots of public schools were up in arms about it!!! But the thing is, the girls play there too, soccer.
    But you said it couldn't be done. I brought that up as an example that, yes it can be. The powers that be at JCPS sure didn't seem to be to worried about how the other schools felt about that stadium being built did they?

    And let me tell you how closely I was paying attention. The same year that Male's stadium was being built the light standards at Iroquois were condemned and had to be removed. They couldn't be replaced for a year becuase every bit of JCPS' resources were aimed at making sure that Male's stadium was completed. As a result Iroquois had to play all of their home game that year in the late afternoon, before dark.

    JCPS wasn't to concerned about being fair then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by All Tell
    Actually I would say that since Angela Merici and Bishop David merged they have gotten better. They now have a football field (they diodn't when they were Bishop David. Since it was mandated that all schools play at their proper classification based on enrollment Holy Cross' footbaqll team has been pretty godd but that evil public school from Danville keeps winning the title. Their baseball team won their region last year, their girl's basketball team has been a 6th region power until recently when Butler over took them. Overall it seems that Holy Cross has done all right for themselves.
    Agreed and they are not at the 4A level either, and never were. It would be like if Presentation and DeSales merged. But my point is that you can't say that Catholic Schools couldn't merge or have dual sex schools, because they have, and you can't know that Trinity and Sacred Heart would dominate the fall sports the way they have in football and Volleyball if they were merged and had to follow the same rules as a Manual or Male. Actually to be fair what really would have to happen is not a merger of the two schools, but a swap of half of the girls and half the guys to each school and then form two volleyball teams, and two football teams. Then that would be closer to the situation with Male and Manual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by All Tell
    But you said it couldn't be done. I brought that up as an example that, yes it can be. The powers that be at JCPS sure didn't seem to be to worried about how the other schools felt about that stadium being built did they?

    And let me tell you how closely I was paying attention. The same year that Male's stadium was being built the light standards at Iroquois were condemned and had to be removed. They couldn't be replaced for a year becuase every bit of JCPS' resources were aimed at making sure that Male's stadium was completed. As a result Iroquois had to play all of their home game that year in the late afternoon, before dark.

    JCPS wasn't to concerned about being fair then.
    Ok but there was public outcry about it and it still persist. Let me rephrase it, it can be done, but it would only make the current situation worse as far as making Male and Manual a political target to be destroyed by the rest of the JCPS and state. Therefore it will not happen. I was wrong to say it can't happen, at Male and Manual it could happen, but it will not happen at many other 4A schools it is still easier to write prop 20 then to make it competitive with T and X.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ram95
    They don't kick them out to there home schools, they chose to return to there home schools verses going to Liberty and Buechel (which by the way Moore also dumps their problem kids too, that is why those schools exist) Besides, you should be happy they chose to return to their home schools, besides the discipline issues the 10-15 kids a year that decide to leave Manual for their home school, they also bring those test scores with them.
    Actually, they don't go to their 'home' schools, since most kids at Manual are in the advanced program... they go to their ADVANCED PROGRAM home school. If I hadn't been accepted into Manual, I wouldn't have been told to to go Fern Creek, I would have been told to go to Seneca.

    So you see, Thomam, you're out of it either way.

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    If I'M not mistaken, Trinity 'borrowed' money from the Archdiocese for their new playpen...

    Must be nice...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 02Ram54
    If I'M not mistaken, Trinity 'borrowed' money from the Archdiocese for their new playpen...

    Must be nice...
    Hard to fault them on that though. I mean they pay taxes to the government then to JCPS and I pay tithes to the Archdiocese it goes to them. That is how it works, St. X fans could have a legit gripe though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ram95
    Hard to fault them on that though. I mean they pay taxes to the government then to JCPS and I pay tithes to the Archdiocese it goes to them. That is how it works, St. X fans could have a legit gripe though...
    I'm just saying...

    No, really though, I don't blame them at all... but it is silly to pretend that its on equal footing with the school tax, I mean, how much does Manual get earmarked for the stadium through the school tax?

    In any case, it still makes me sad that this issue has proven so divisive here. Some of these Trinity posters are people I'd consider friends, and since we ALL agree that Prop 20's bad (except Thomam, who just wants to add Manual and Male to the list) I don't know why we're going in circles here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 02Ram54
    If I'M not mistaken, Trinity 'borrowed' money from the Archdiocese for their new playpen...

    Must be nice...

    You are mistaken. The stadium was funded by donations, the largest was $1M from the Marshall Foundation. The "loan" you speak of was for properties that are now parking. That was done before the stadium project's public phase of solicitation began.

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