The pot calling the kettle black (the true story of Male, Manual, and Scott County)!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ram95
    Never said that I didn't care.
    I don't think that nor did I say that, I simply agreed with you that Trinity and St. X do care about football and have built a program.
    The same is true for your school and your son would have live quite near enough to go to Fern Creek, Seneca or Moore yet he went to Trinity. So you made the same choice for your son that my mom made for me, also I believe that you have also mentioned that you were at one time considering Manual for an option, an option you didn't take, but still how did his arguements seem to you back then as a parent? Don't you want to have an option for parents that might not see Trinity as and option?
    Exactly what I have been saying the whole time and agree 100%.


    My son's father went to Trinity. Almost all of his cousins went to X, except one who went to Trinity. My son was enrolled in Catholic school in Kindergarten, and there was never a question whether he would attend a Catholic high school. My son grew up going to T/X games every year, and DREAMED of playing in a T/X game. Frankly, there was never any question...he would go to one or the other, and that was his choice.

    I considered Manual for my daughter, for their Arts program...not YPAS, the one that is for artistic kids. My kids are great students, very bright, and maybe a little above average, but they aren't "gifted".
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    Quote Originally Posted by All Tell
    Then why use title 9 as an argument.

    If a schools like Manual is such a great thing why not relocate that program to a larger building (like Moore for instance, as I recall they have the largest building in the county). After all it's the teachers and the students, not the building that make the school, correct?
    Because Manual's program was put in place to draw rich white suburban kids into the innercity so they could send the normal home area students to Eastern, Moore, JTown, ect. to comply with Brown vs. the Board of education and other desegration laws.

    Plus it is not economically wise to do so. We don't have the economic freedom and advantages that the private schools do!! We are a public school. It is a root core issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by All Tell
    Is the field hockey field equal to Manual Stadium??

    If title 9 is as rigid as you maintain how can a school like Manual blatently get away with discriminating against a girls program by making them play in a lesser facility.
    They are not the same type of field and they do us Louisville's field sometimes which is as nice a place as any in the state. You are barking up the wrong tree, you are agreeing with me. Manual can't afford to build a field hockey stadium as nice as Manual Stadium and if Manual stadium had not been built in 1923 before title 9 there would be no Manual Stadium. Title 9 puts those economic realities in front of us we can't do what Trinity did with it's stadium, for financial reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ram95
    They are not the same type of field and they do us Louisville's field sometimes which is as nice a place as any in the state. You are barking up the wrong tree, you are agreeing with me. Manual can't afford to build a field hockey stadium as nice as Manual Stadium and if Manual stadium had not been built in 1923 before title 9 there would be no Manual Stadium. Title 9 puts those economic realities in front of us we can't do what Trinity did with it's stadium, for financial reasons.

    Interesting....I don't think either Assumption or Sacred Heart have a Field Hockey field. Nor does Seneca, come to think of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockmom
    My son's father went to Trinity. Almost all of his cousins went to X, except one who went to Trinity. My son was enrolled in Catholic school in Kindergarten, and there was never a question whether he would attend a Catholic high school. My son grew up going to T/X games every year, and DREAMED of playing in a T/X game. Frankly, there was never any question...he would go to one or the other, and that was his choice.

    I considered Manual for my daughter, for their Arts program...not YPAS, the one that is for artistic kids. My kids are great students, very bright, and maybe a little above average, but they aren't "gifted".
    And thank goodness they had a choice and a mother to support them. Not all kids have that!! They are super lucky to have a mom that works as hard as you do and does care about them. That is why schools like Trinity and Assumption are needed in this community. I am not anti-Catholic schools, I am just saying that schools like Manual and Male also provide a public school option that is important to have as well. Thomam wants things to go back to neighborhood school it seems.

    I am for choices, Public and Private, and I believe that prop 20 is a tool to be used to force other stuff and many cosponsers may not actually want to force a split. I mean come on, has no one noticed that Southern High School is in the district that boycotts Trinity under Sextons leadership? Have none of you noticed the name of Manual and Southerns Principles?

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    Quote Originally Posted by All Tell
    Then why use title 9 as an argument.

    If a schools like Manual is such a great thing why not relocate that program to a larger building (like Moore for instance, as I recall they have the largest building in the county). After all it's the teachers and the students, not the building that make the school, correct?
    The day after the ribbon-cutting ceremony on the new wing at Manual, Trinity and St X would call separate press conferences announcing capital building programs to boost each school's enrollment to >2000 (or announce satellite campuses in Oldham and Shelby Counties to extend the 20 mile radius!).


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    Quote Originally Posted by rockmom
    Interesting....I don't think either Assumption or Sacred Heart have a Field Hockey field. Nor does Seneca, come to think of it.
    But Trinity has a football field, why don't they build one for the girls? You see, that is not a good arguement. All the Field hockey teams are under the same conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by H
    The day after the ribbon-cutting ceremony on the new wing at Manual, Trinity and St X would call separate press conferences announcing capital building programs to boost each school's enrollment to >2000 (or announce satellite campuses in Oldham and Shelby Counties to extend the 20 mile radius!).


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    Quote Originally Posted by ram95
    I was always amazed at the number of Trinity and St. X coaches at public school games too! That is really the pot calling the Kettle black. That is just too funny, it is not against the rules and your coaches have been doing it for years. My brothers went to public schools and one played in the Toy Bowl in the CSAA championship. We never went to a Catholic School, or even went to that parish for that matter.
    I wasn't aware that the public schools had football teams below the high school level. I try to learn something new every day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinity alum
    I wasn't aware that the public schools had football teams below the high school level. I try to learn something new every day.
    J-town optimist, Hikes point, M. Ali. All those are the leagues I am talking about and they are stocked full with public school kids. Quit being cute, you know what I meant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ram95
    But Trinity has a football field, why don't they build one for the girls? You see, that is not a good arguement. All the Field hockey teams are under the same conditions.

    Manual has a field hockey field, because the parent of a former player there donated the funds for it, right?

    Why can't alumni at schools donate money for special projects? Everyone says that there is no money, but where do you think the money @ Trinity and X comes from to build new facilities, upgrade old ones? It comes from the Trinity Community. The same is true, by the way, for the endowment that funds financial aid at these schools.

    Assumption had to decide to give up the field area behind their school used for some field hockey practice, etc, to build their larger gym/classroom building.

    I see things being done every day that have nothing to do with tax monies. I'm finding it harder and harder to believe that it CAN'T be done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockmom
    Manual has a field hockey field, because the parent of a former player there donated the funds for it, right?

    Why can't alumni at schools donate money for special projects? Everyone says that there is no money, but where do you think the money @ Trinity and X comes from to build new facilities, upgrade old ones? It comes from the Trinity Community. The same is true, by the way, for the endowment that funds financial aid at these schools.

    Assumption had to decide to give up the field area behind their school used for some field hockey practice, etc, to build their larger gym/classroom building.

    I see things being done every day that have nothing to do with tax monies. I'm finding it harder and harder to believe that it CAN'T be done.
    Well some things can and do get done that way, but the thing is that if I had the money today to buy Manual field turf for football I couldn't do that without also coming up with an equal amount of money for a girls sport. That is not something Trinity has to face.

    What the Catholic Schools have done is awesome and I am jealous, but it will not happen in the public schools for a number of reasons. Manual and Male have decent alumni bases but many schools don't, and even ours are not near as attached to our schools like T and X grads have proven to be. We do have great families and fans and alumni support, but not like the Catholic schools do. That is part of the problem that pro prop 20 people in Jefferson County have, the publics don't have the support in Louisville like your teams do. And even if I wanted to do that, then people from other public schools like some on this board that I won't name would demand that I do the same for all the public schools or Manual should not be allowed to get it because it would not be fair.

    That is why.

    I do agree with you that it is a lame excuse, but that is why. It is easier to just kick you guys out then compete. And if the public schools don't get the other props passed that they think will make it easier to compete they might just pull the trigger. But I don't think they really want to. And I don't think that they should.

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    The Title IX argument is a sham. The argument would only make sense if we failed to support the girls programs. In truth, the girls programs are more dominant than the boys. It doesn't wash, its just more excuses. I've asked you several times to offer suggestions of things that might help to level the playing field that you could support. Still waiting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ram95
    Well some things can and do get done that way, but the thing is that if I had the money today to buy Manual field turf for football I couldn't do that without also coming up with an equal amount of money for a girls sport. That is not something Trinity has to face.

    What the Catholic Schools have done is awesome and I am jealous, but it will not happen in the public schools for a number of reasons. Manual and Male have decent alumni bases but many schools don't, and even ours are not near as attached to our schools like T and X grads have proven to be. We do have great families and fans and alumni support, but not like the Catholic schools do. That is part of the problem that pro prop 20 people in Jefferson County have, the publics don't have the support in Louisville like your teams do. And even if I wanted to do that, then people from other public schools like some on this board that I won't name would demand that I do the same for all the public schools or Manual should not be allowed to get it because it would not be fair.

    That is why.

    I do agree with it, but that is why.
    So, the money that the former player's parents donated for the field was split and some put in boys sports? I'm not understanding....the field bears her name...did the family donate twice as much as was needed? Was half the amount diverted? How did that work.

    The publis don't have the same kind of support, but why is that? Belfry is a public school, and just built a new stadium. Why could that school do it? Why not divert some of the energy spent on kicking the privates out, into maintaining a strong alumni base? If I'm not mistake, Male has such great facilities due in large part to boosters/alumni. The answer, IMO, is not to kick the privates out, but to find out how they are able to retain the support of so many former students after all these years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ram95
    J-town optimist, Hikes point, M. Ali. All those are the leagues I am talking about and they are stocked full with public school kids. Quit being cute, you know what I meant.
    I'm glad you think I'm cute, but Mrs. Alum is the jealous type. The leagues you just mentioned are not affiliated with JCPS or any other school or school system. Are you trying to tell me that the optimists don't allow Catholics? More things I didn't know. Public schools do not own kids and that includes kids that play in optimists leagues.

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