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    Quote Originally Posted by theguru View Post
    Is that right?

    I can hear the news reports, there was an act of hatred today at any school USA or there was an act of evil today at any school USA or there was an act of cowards today at any school USA.

    None of those single words come close to accurately describing this better than the word Terrorism.
    IMO, seems like terrorism has a goal of spreading fear and disrupting everyday life. Walk into schools across the nation and see if there is fear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellcats View Post
    IMO, seems like terrorism has a goal of spreading fear and disrupting everyday life. Walk into schools across the nation and see if there is fear.
    Right, it is basically a textbook definition of Terrorism but we are programmed to think different about Terrorism.

    The other "problem" for America by calling it Terrorism is when we finally break down and call it Terrorism then our perceived solution is the same as stopping Terrorism and that is going to result in massive assaults on our privacy, civil liberties and freedom.

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    Aren't these students who threaten being charged with

    "Terroristic Threats" ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by theguru View Post
    Right, it is basically a textbook definition of Terrorism but we are programmed to think different about Terrorism.

    The other "problem" for America by calling it Terrorism is when we finally break down and call it Terrorism then our perceived solution is the same as stopping Terrorism and that is going to result in massive assaults on our privacy, civil liberties and freedom.
    Agree 100%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellcats View Post
    Aren't these students who threaten being charged with

    "Terroristic Threats" ?
    Here is the law for everyone to digest:

    508.075 Terroristic threatening in the first degree.

    (1) A person is guilty of terroristic threatening in the first degree when he or she:

    (a) Intentionally makes false statements that he or she or another person has placed a weapon of mass destruction on:

    1. The real property or any building of any public or private elementary or secondary school, vocational school, or institution of postsecondary education;

    2. A school bus or other vehicle owned, operated, or leased by a school;

    3. The real property or any building public or private that is the site of anofficial school-sanctioned function; or

    4. The real property or any building owned or leased by a governmentagency; or(b) Intentionally and without lawful authority, places a counterfeit weapon ofmass destruction at any location or on any object specified in paragraph (a) ofthis subsection.

    (2) A counterfeit weapon of mass destruction is placed with lawful authority if it isplaced, with the written permission of the chief officer of the school or otherinstitution, as a part of an official training exercise and is placed by a public servant,as defined in KRS 522.010.

    (3) A person is not guilty of commission of an offense under this section if he or she,innocently and believing the information to be true, communicates a threat made byanother person to school personnel, a peace officer, a law enforcement agency, apublic agency involved in emergency response, or a public safety answering pointand identifies the person from whom the threat was communicated, if known.

    (4) Terroristic threatening in the first degree is a Class C felony.

    Effective: June 21, 2001
    History: Created 2001 Ky. Acts ch. 113, sec. 1, effective June 21, 2001.

    http://www.lrc.ky.gov/statutes/statute.aspx?id=19736

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    508.078 Terroristic threatening in the second degree.

    (1) A person is guilty of terroristic threatening in the second degree when, other than as provided in KRS 508.075, he or she intentionally

    a) With respect to a school function, threatens to commit any act likely to result in death or serious physical injury to any student group, teacher, volunteer worker, or employee of a public or private elementary or secondary school, vocational school, or institution of postsecondary education, or to any other person reasonably expected to lawfully be on school property or at a school sanctioned activity, if the threat is related to their employment by a school, or work or attendance at school, or a school function. A threat directed at a person or persons or at a school does not need to identify a specific person or persons or school in order for a violation of this section to occur;


    (b) Makes false statements that he or she has placed a weapon of mass destruction at any location other than one specified in KRS 508.075; or

    (c) Without lawful authority places a counterfeit weapon of mass destruction at any location other than one specified in KRS 508.075.

    (2) A counterfeit weapon of mass destruction is placed with lawful authority if it is placed as part of an official training exercise by a public servant, as defined in KRS 522.010.

    (3) A person is not guilty of commission of an offense under this section if he or she, innocently and believing the information to be true, communicates a threat made by another person to school personnel, a peace officer, a law enforcement agency, a public agency involved in emergency response, or a public safety answering point and identifies the person from whom the threat was communicated, if known.

    (4) Terroristic threatening in the second degree is a Class D felony.

    Effective: June 21, 2001 History:
    Created 2001 Ky. Acts ch. 113, sec. 2, effective June 21, 2001.

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    508.080 Terroristic threatening in the third degree.

    (1) Except as provided in KRS 508.075 or 508.078, a person is guilty of terroristic threatening in the third degree when

    a) He threatens to commit any crime likely to result in death or serious physical injury to another person or likely to result in substantial property damage to another person; or

    (b) He intentionally makes false statements for the purpose of causing evacuation of a building, place of assembly, or facility of public transportation.

    (2) Terroristic threatening in the third degree is a Class A misdemeanor.

    Effective: June 21, 2001
    History: Amended 2001 Ky. Acts ch. 113, sec. 3, effective

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    Quote Originally Posted by theguru View Post
    Dictionary.com says:

    1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.

    2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.

    3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.
    Right. It was not political.

    The FBI, those who investigate terrorism, defines it like this.

    Perpetrated by individuals and/or groups inspired by or associated with primarily U.S.-based movements that espouse extremist ideologies of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellcats View Post
    Aren't these students who threaten being charged with

    "Terroristic Threats" ?
    If you threaten to kill your neighbor you could be charged with terroristic threatening. Doesn't make you a terrorist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by halfback20 View Post
    Right. It was not political.

    The FBI, those who investigate terrorism, defines it like this.

    Perpetrated by individuals and/or groups inspired by or associated with primarily U.S.-based movements that espouse extremist ideologies of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature.
    And dictionary.com clearly says "political" does NOT have to be a part of it.

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    Come on HB20, take the one word challenge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theguru View Post
    And dictionary.com clearly says "political" does NOT have to be a part of it.
    Even within the definition he provided, political isn't the only option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDeuce View Post
    Even within the definition he provided, political isn't the only option.
    I know Deuce, this stuff wears me out sometimes.

    Come on HB20, take the one word challenge. Give us one word that better describes these acts than Terrorism?

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    Quote Originally Posted by theguru View Post
    I know Deuce, this stuff wears me out sometimes.

    Come on HB20, take the one word challenge. Give us one word that better describes these acts than Terrorism?
    Why isn't the FBI investigating? Because it isn't terrorism.

    I never said political was the only part of the definition needed.

    There's a difference in mass murder and terrorism.

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    This guy is going to take the heat and will be the punching bag but he was just the last failure if a chain of massive, unforgivable errors that led to the event.

    A sheriff that was called out numerous times on the individual, tips to the FBI not acted on, a 'guardian' who allowed the retention of firearms in his house and 'thought' he had the only key to the safe that apparently the kid bought himself (and this from a military intel guy); video tape systems running 20 minutes behind; slow 911 response, drills where blank shots were used or supposed to be used, etc. Even the Secret Services in the school a few weeks before doing things - for all the good that seems to have to done. Just about every single government entity in charge of public safety that was involved prior to the event completely failed to do their role.

    But this guy will become the punching bag, scapegoat, etc. while the other entities try to cover up their issues.

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