School Shooting At Marshall County High School

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jumper_Dad View Post
    While metal detectors seem like an easy answer, how long would it take to get 1500 kids through metal detectors each morning? Then you'd have half of them setting them of each day with belts/backpacks/electronics and other things. While Metal detectors seem like a GREAT IDEA, I'm not sure how practical they are at a majority of schools.
    All about priorities. Most sports venues have metal detectors and shuffle in tens of thousands.

    Sometimes safety doesn’t equal comfort and practicality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jumper_Dad View Post
    Completely different scenario...he wasn't aiming to shoot an innocent person in that situation. In Marshall County he meant to shoot innocent people it seems.
    Feels like rationalization to me. A man shot an innocent person.

    It's illegal to shoot anyone who isn't threatening your life, right? An innocent person was shot in my scenario. Does it matter why? You can't feel sorry for the dad and not feel sorry for a kid that was bullied. They both took terrible actions and both were illegal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellcats View Post
    All about priorities. Most sports venues have metal detectors and shuffle in tens of thousands.

    Sometimes safety doesn’t equal comfort and practicality.
    They also have several controlled entrances and enough machines and manpower to cover them all appropriately. Sports and concerts also have a much longer time window to process everyone.

    Most secured schools have one access point and you'd have to funnel everyone in in a very short time span. Unless you want kids catching buses way earlier in the morning.

    Metal detectors sound like a great idea, until you start thinking through all of the logistics of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plantmanky View Post
    Your post is valid. However what that thought process says in gerenal is, two lives are not worth that.
    Doesn't say that at all...I'm just stating that logistically it's not as easy or simple as it seems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plantmanky View Post
    As a Juvenile? My understanding, based on other cases that involved juveniles in capital crimes, was that they had to be released at 21. Or perhaps is that released into adult prison system?
    Yep. See the case of Michael Carneal, the Heath Shooter. He was 14 and is still locked up and not eligible for parole till 2022.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jumper_Dad View Post
    They also have several controlled entrances and enough machines and manpower to cover them all appropriately. Sports and concerts also have a much longer time window to process everyone.

    Most secured schools have one access point and you'd have to funnel everyone in in a very short time span. Unless you want kids catching buses way earlier in the morning.

    Metal detectors sound like a great idea, until you start thinking through all of the logistics of it.
    3/4 of fans show up an hour or less prior to the game/concert which would be similar to the time students arrive at school.
    Those arenas found a way to make it safer for fans so fans would continue to show. Surely we could use those models to make schools safer for our children.
    To me it’s a feasible answer that doesn’t delve into gun control or arming teachers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 00Rocket28 View Post
    Yep. See the case of Michael Carneal, the Heath Shooter. He was 14 and is still locked up and not eligible for parole till 2022.
    So why bother trying them as an adult if they get the same time as tried a juvenile?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellcats View Post
    3/4 of fans show up an hour or less prior to the game/concert which would be similar to the time students arrive at school.
    Those arenas found a way to make it safer for fans so fans would continue to show. Surely we could use those models to make schools safer for our children.
    To me it’s a feasible answer that doesn’t delve into gun control or arming teachers.
    What would stop a student from opening fire at the bottleneck of kids trying to get thru the metal detector? They would have to make all students go thru one entrance.

    There was also a mass shooting at a school in MN where the kid shot the security guy as he was going they the detector and then opened fire on the students.

    There are reasons for and against.

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    Quote Originally Posted by littleluck55 View Post
    So why bother trying them as an adult if they get the same time as tried a juvenile?
    No, this is the result of them trying him as an adult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 00Rocket28 View Post
    Yep. See the case of Michael Carneal, the Heath Shooter. He was 14 and is still locked up and not eligible for parole till 2022.
    That would put it at 25 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jumper_Dad View Post
    Doesn't say that at all...I'm just stating that logistically it's not as easy or simple as it seems.
    Not everyone arrives for school at the same time, every bus is different, every non bus student is different. It CAN be done, it just wont be, doesnt fit the narrative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plantmanky View Post
    Not everyone arrives for school at the same time, every bus is different, every non bus student is different. It CAN be done, it just wont be, doesnt fit the narrative.
    What narrative?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jumper_Dad View Post
    Doesn't say that at all...I'm just stating that logistically it's not as easy or simple as it seems.
    And its not hard to defeat standard metal detectors. They may make some feel better but they would not stop the determined.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellcats View Post
    All about priorities. Most sports venues have metal detectors and shuffle in tens of thousands.

    Sometimes safety doesn’t equal comfort and practicality.
    Pro sports or colleges?

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    Quote Originally Posted by True blue (and gold) View Post
    Pro sports or colleges?
    At USF anyone entering any on-campus sports or entertainment venue must remove all metal from their pockets, allow their purses to be inspected, and submit to being wanded by an attendant.

    The Bulls play football in an NFL stadium. Metal detectors and purse searches are done there. Also, only specified clear purses are allowed in the stadium.

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