Public/Private Debate: A Scenario (guru please read!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by oneijoe
    LOL... It looks to me to be more of a pre-emptive "excuse" should Highlands fall behind the Colonels.

    The "reasoning" you're using above holds no more water in NKY than it does in Louisville. In other words, CovCath would then be attracting superior athletes for the RIGHT reasons - superior academics AND athletics...
    Many people (myself included) would not agree that CCH has a "superior" academic record compared to Highlands. They are likely comparable, but I don't accept that CCH is "superior."

    Thus, the only change would be the improved athletics at CCH, and as the KHSAA has made painfully clear, students are not allowed to transfer and play sports for athletic reasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stickymitts
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbwill2
    and as the KHSAA has made painfully clear, students are not allowed to transfer and play sports for athletic reasons.
    While this is true if the student has participated in a varsity sport, it does not stop upcoming freshmen from "transferring" to another school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cshs81
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    Anyway, the way I understand it is that out of district tuition for public schools is based on the school district that the student is living in. If a child is "released" from the school in the district in which they are living, they can go without paying tuition. Most schools don't "release" students unless a parent works in the receiving schools district. I guess it's a "professional courtesy." The $ amount is based on the ADA rate, which at this point is $4125. In other words, after work study and all the other stuff you'll probably end up cheaper at CCH. Presuming you're out of district.

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    I hope it fails too. I think it would be a big mistake.

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    http://www.amnews.com/public_html/?m...55&format=html
    Link to an article today in the Advocate Messenger on the subject...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbwill2
    All this talk about the upcoming KHSAA vote has got me thinking...

    I remember that the guru wrote of BGP awhile ago that he didn't think the non-Big III 4A schools had much of an argument about Trinity and Saint X having an unfair advantage, mainly because he didn't think those other 4A schools put enough time and effort into building up their own football programs to compete with X and T. I also remember the guru writing on BGP awhile ago that he believes Highlands, more than any other football program in the state, historically gets more out of what they have to work with than any other program, with regard to things like time, effort, training, commitment, etc.

    So, considering all that, here's a scenario I'd like the guru and others to consider:

    Say that CovCath, under their new coach, returns the Colonels to a championship level (LIT has them tops in the entire state right now). This athletic success, coupled with the fact that CCH is an outstanding academic school, could very easily lead to CCH attracting even more NKY-area talent. Say that this cycle continues until CCH completely dominates Highlands in football on a consistent basis.

    The guru's previous argument that catholic schools don't have an unfair advantage is predicated on the fact that many of the "complaining" schools don't work hard enough at building their own programs to compete. But this isn't the case for Highlands... in fact, they work as hard or harder than anyone in the state. If CCH begins consistently dominating HHS, even though HHS is working and preparing as much as they possibly can, then what would this say about the relative advantage of a private school's football progam compared to a public school's football program??? If this were to happen over the next 10 years, would (and should) Highlands be voting in favor of kicking out the private schools when the vote comes up again, say 10 years down the road???

    If this scenario indeed played out, would it offer proof that catholic schools have an unfair advantage over public schools?
    What happens if 10 years from now St. Henry has a football team and CovCath's enrollment declines. What happens if 10 years from now the diocese merges Brossart and NCC and many of the NCC Fort Thomas kids decide to attend Highlands instead?

    If Highlands then dominates CovCath at an unheard of level is it proof that public schools have an advantage over private schools?

    Lots of what ifs don't you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tough as Nails
    While this is true if the student has participated in a varsity sport, it does not stop upcoming freshmen from "transferring" to another school.
    But the spirit of the rule is the same. The KHSAA has the belief that no students should be choosing schools based on athletics, whether it be transferring after 10th grade or enrolling before 9th grade. I would imagine that many would agree with this belief.

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    Interesting scenario, but even though CCH may have a run; there will always be enough talent in Ft. Thomas to win a championship here and there. Plus, no one will ever outwork Highlands; I know at some points of the offseasn, they put in 4+ hours per day. That hard work cannot be overlooked. Sure they are talented, but they put the work behind the talent as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by All Play No Work
    What happens if 10 years from now St. Henry has a football team and CovCath's enrollment declines. What happens if 10 years from now the diocese merges Brossart and NCC and many of the NCC Fort Thomas kids decide to attend Highlands instead?

    If Highlands then dominates CovCath at an unheard of level is it proof that public schools have an advantage over private schools?

    Lots of what ifs don't you think?
    All the more reason to just split football between the publics and privates, don't you think???

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    Quote Originally Posted by All Play No Work
    What happens if 10 years from now St. Henry has a football team and CovCath's enrollment declines. What happens if 10 years from now the diocese merges Brossart and NCC and many of the NCC Fort Thomas kids decide to attend Highlands instead?

    If Highlands then dominates CovCath at an unheard of level is it proof that public schools have an advantage over private schools?

    Lots of what ifs don't you think?
    Wouldn't this be solved by assigning districts to private schools? Although, I'm not sure they'd go for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbwill2
    All the more reason to just split football between the publics and privates, don't you think???
    I don't see where it has connection whatsoever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbwill2
    But the spirit of the rule is the same. The KHSAA has the belief that no students should be choosing schools based on athletics, whether it be transferring after 10th grade or enrolling before 9th grade. I would imagine that many would agree with this belief.
    The KHSAA could care less why a family chooses to send a child to a particular school - even if its athletics. They ONLY become concerned once the student has been a varsity athlete at a previous school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoBigRed
    maybe that is why so much debate on here lately.
    I'd say you're on to something.

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