Proposal 20 Passed

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    Quote Originally Posted by BGGreen
    By the way, since my kid can't compete for a true state championship anymore; this must mean I don't have to support the county schools via taxes anymore---right??

    Great argument....That's also why I think this will have a severe challenge in passing....Let's give vouchers...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RockPride
    Great argument....That's also why I think this will have a severe challenge in passing....Let's give vouchers...
    I don't have kids do I have to pay my taxes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderstruck
    Looks to me like the publics are doing just fine in Tenn.

    BTW thanks for all the Work SEBell....you Da Man!!!!!!
    If you followed mroe information...the year before the split, there was 28,000 to watch Brentwood & Brentwood Academy battle it out

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    Quote Originally Posted by ram95
    I don't have kids do I have to pay my taxes?
    Do you now???

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    Quote Originally Posted by gametime
    Take X and T out RIGHT NOW, and HC's Title means the same???
    Perfect point...

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    Quote Originally Posted by NKYBred
    I think a lot of people care and that's what drives this forum!
    Yes, but I personally feel some people have taken this issue WAAAAAAAY too seriously. The feeling one gets when reading through this is the high level of emotion most seem to feel. I agree it drives the forum, but I fear it may be driving us over the cliff...

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    Quote Originally Posted by goherd96
    Yes, but I personally feel some people have taken this issue WAAAAAAAY too seriously. The feeling one gets when reading through this is the high level of emotion most seem to feel. I agree it drives the forum, but I fear it may be driving us over the cliff...

    Please read my post, #360.

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    You mean you expect me to go back through all of these?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by goherd96
    You mean you expect me to go back through all of these?????

    Here, I'll repost it to help you out! I realize you may not be up to the search!

    I hope I don't tick anyone else off though....

    Here goes:

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    I'm not going to direct this reply to any one individual poster, but I'm going to try and ramble my way through why I and my son and daughter are so upset by this.

    I'll begin with, it's not about the sports, it's about principles.

    The Private schools have worked extremely hard, dedicated a lot of time, money, effort, and sweat into building their schools into some of the best in the state; not just athletically, academically and spiritually as well. We've invested more than just the tangibles into our schools. We're tied to them emotionally, and we begin dreaming of the day our kids will attend in the future. I feel this is an applicable statement to the majority of Private School parents and Alumni. The proof is in the number of Alumni that return to teach, coach, fundraise, attend events, and donate to fundraising campaigns.

    The fact that we've abided by the rules, as set forth by the KHSAA, and continued to become successful, and that the Public schools have decided that we must be "cheating" just sticks in our craws! The mere realization that at any time the Public schools don't like the success that we've achieved are able to change the rules is absolutely galling! The fact that there are channels and avenues that should be utilized if any misconduct is suspected, and that the public schools are unwilling to report or utilize the channels in case of such illegal activities, but would rather not utilize the existing system, instead choosing to just eliminate the private schools is completely reprehensible to me!

    Public schools have nothing to lose from these proposals. In fact, if they don't like the circumstances a few years down the road, they'll take more action to "even the playing field", and so on and so on, and so on. This is permanant for the Private schools, though. I really doubt the public schools will vote for the Private schools' return if things don't work out they way they envision.

    We're so emotionally tied to our schools that it's possible that some public/private split proponents may not be able to understand. We realize this affects not just our children, but our grandchildren, and great-grandchildren, and so on and so on.

    So, let's go back to the "leveling the playing field" comments. As I said in another thread, it seems that the Public schools feel that it's fair for them to have a level playing field, but that the Private schools are somehow not due the same consideration. So, now you've put the smaller privates in a terrible predicament, athletically....most obviously in football. I feel that it's possible that with the exception of football, we may all be able to somewhat be competitive in basketball and a few other sports. I don't dispute that. But, I didn't see anyone clammoring from the Public schools that the playing field wasn't level in baseball, for instance. But there are still some schools that will lose some sports.

    One other thing....My blood boils whenever I hear that the public schools will "allow" us to play them in the regular season! For the love of God, WHY?! If you can't be competitive with us in the post-season, why, OH WHY do you want to play us in the regular season? Is it the gate receipts when events are hosted at your school? Is it so that if you do beat us, you still have that "glory", without sacrificing your precious post-season? The fact that the word "allow" is used is infuriating!

    I can understand, and will support the private schools, if we wind up having to accept this, and play these games this way. But, I will absolutely be hoping that the private schools find another way, that they organize statewide as St.ThomasMore has suggested, and find an alternative to playing public schools that will work for even the smallest of the private schools.

    Again, it's not specifically an athletic issue with us. It's the principle. We feel we've been unfairly targeted, when there are far more issues involved with the state of athletics in public schools....participation percentages, per student population, the lack of organized athletics in the grade school/middle school years, the lack of committment on the part of those that could either financially or with their time, help their school's programs. Those issues will not be resolved by this split. They may actually become more glaringly obvious, as the focus on the private schools will not be able to be used as an excuse. But the real question is, what will be blamed at that point? It will be interesting to see whether the issues will be addressed, or if more competition will be eliminated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderstruck
    I personally know how four schools voted....all county schools and all in eastern KY....ALL VOTED YES
    Hope they're not A, AAA, or AAAA schools, 'cause they still aren't going to win anything!! At least not until they can get the next target--the independents!!

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    Interesting that

    a.) they voted on #20 first, and then went 1-19 in the voting order in the proposals, and

    b.) they first voted to exclude Fort Knox and Fort Campbell as private schools, which of course they are some ways and not in others. Their funding comes from the federal government and not the state government.

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    Now you help me out after I already dug through the flotsam to find it...

    I can understand your feelings on this matter to a point. Personally, in my area, we only have one private school in the area and they only had some basketball success a few years back with the import of OJ Mayo, et al. The public schools here carry the banner of educational, as well as athletic, excellence. My own high school has won multiple state Governors' Cup Awards in academic competition going up against the privates as well as the bigger, metropolitan publics.

    However, the public schools in this area also know that once they reach the state level in athletic competition, they have little chance of making a big impact in the minor sports (tennis, volleyball, swimming, soccer). The privates have dominated these sports more than any other, with the exception of 4A football, over the last 10-20 years if not longer. Why is this? I have no ideas other than the privates were the first schools to emphasize most of these "country club" sports and therefore have a head start on the rest of the state. They also typically are located in larger metro areas which allows for a larger student population and thereby a larger talent pool. These metro areas also tended to have youth leagues for many of these sports well in advance of the more rural parts of Kentucky. These factors have lead to skill levels far exceeding what has been achieved in the rest of the state. At my own school, our softball team has dominated the region and competed closely down state. The reason is the quality of the youth league and the participation by many of the girls on summer traveling squads. The fact that they have been able to be competitive with teams around the state lends credence to my previosly stated theory.

    That all being said, I feel there is a disparity yet I have no idea how to handle it. While much of the weeping and gnashing of teeth seems to be the result of the perception of recruiting by the privates, please do not assume that the publics are simply "choosing to just eliminate the private schools." I know of many instances which most would call recruiting, someone unaffiliated directly with a school (a booster) contacting a kid to try and get him to attend "his" school. My understanding of this is the KHSAA has no rules governing this type of behavior. Honestly, I don't see how they could because the policing of that type of activity would be an absolute nightmare. Now, most of these instances of which I am aware have nothing to do with private schools, they are almost entirely involving publics. This is what I see as the biggest problem in high school athletics, but that's just my opinion. How do you fix it? Who knows...

    In any case, I still see the furor over Prop 20 to be much ado about nothing. I really feel like the state BOE and legislature will not allow it to stand in its current form. I fully expect some sort of compromise to be reached that will put this to rest, at least temporarily.

    I'll stop typing now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Scribe
    Interesting that

    a.) they voted on #20 first, and then went 1-19 in the voting order in the proposals, and
    I am sure that this is because they thought it would take the longest to rationalize, and they wanted an answer today...

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    I also think that #20 had a trickle down effect on several of the other proposals.

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    I'm not sure if you have heard the news but the Board of Control turned down Prop 20.

    I believe the vote was 9 to 7? They stated that it would coast @ $150,000 to run both a public and private championship.

    It looks as if at least 9 people took the time to examine the big picture and didn't just cast a vote without thinking the about the consequences.

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