Proposal #1 - In regards to public schools

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldschoolwrestler
    Ohh come on now. KHSAA could say "how about you let us decide who is a good candidtate for participating in KHSAA"
    The funny thing is, that we don't need the KHSAA as much as they think we do....
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    Quote Originally Posted by cshs81
    It very well may be discriminatory. I'm not debating that.

    What I am trying to say to those who will put aside their hatred of the KHSAA is that if the ability to play sports your freshman year at a Catholic school is going to be the make or break factor, you're not going to the Catholic school for the right reason. Period. I don't know how I can be any clearer.
    And I don't know how I can be any clearer. The "rightness" of the reason is unknowable by any except those making the decision and further, is no ones business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldschoolwrestler
    Ohh come on now. KHSAA could say "how about you let us decide who is a good candidtate for participating in KHSAA"
    Well, I'm glad you asked. The KHSAA is set up under the Kentucky Department of Education. It is not an independent body. As such, any action taken by the KHSAA is a STATE action. Any action by the state to blatantly discriminate against our children will be fought vigorously. Further, the KHSAA has taken action that will prevent KHSAA members from playing teams that are not members of their state association. In other words, in order to participate in high school athletics in Kentucky you must be a member. Therefore, membership is in effect no longer voluntary. It is not permissable for a state agency to openly discriminate against certain of the states citizens as if it were a private club. Keep laughing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldschoolwrestler
    My point exactly. KHSAA has set forth rules in which participating schools must obey. If a school does not want to follow those rules they have the option of not joining KHSAA.

    Is it right that an athlete who turns 19 on August 2nd cannot participate but that athlete who turns 19 on July 31st can? (I'm not exactly sure on the cut off date).

    Is it fair that an athlete cannot participate because he had an injury that caused him to miss school and be retained?

    There are several rules that can be argued, but they are set up to try and keep equality.

    I don't want to see the private schools leave, some of the restrictions are outlandish, but some make sense. You can't have the cake and eat it too forever.
    But that is just what this proposal is trying to do. The supporters will "allow" the privates to play the public schools in regular season, just not the post season. So, essentially, it's ok to get drubbed in the regular season by a private school, as long as it doesn't affect your chances of winning a state title. That's just pure, out and out HOGWASH!

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    I think everyone is losing focus a bit. They're not saying you can't go to a private school, they're saying you can't play sports. On one hand we hear it's all about the education than on another hand we hear that athletics are a part of the educational process. Well, which is it? The last week has put a couple of things into perspective, one of them being it's no longer just about the education and it's getting further and further away from that.

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    Hey guys I've know the answer to our problems.

    I've stated it before and I'll say it again.

    Get rid of compulsory education. If we don't force students to go to school or give it to them free, we would not have this problem. All the schools would be private schools.

    This may sound tongue in cheek but I'm actually serious about this. It would solve many other problems that public schools have. Or at least reduce it greatly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldschoolwrestler
    Hey guys I've know the answer to our problems.

    I've stated it before and I'll say it again.

    Get rid of compulsory education. If we don't force students to go to school or give it to them free, we would not have this problem. All the schools would be private schools.

    This may sound tongue in cheek but I'm actually serious about this. It would solve many other problems that public schools have. Or at least reduce it greatly.
    I agree with you 100%. Back in the beginning, education was a privilege....part of the problem we have in public schools is that some kids are FORCED to go to school, which causes them to be disruptive and bring down the levels of concentration within the school setting.

    Look how far ahead other countries are in education. Look at the VALUE they place on an education. Therein lies the difference. We don't encourage educational excellence, we just require that you show up and be present for attendance. I'm not saying anything against the teachers and schools. I'm berating a law that negates the positive effect of education.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinity alum
    As such, any action taken by the KHSAA is a STATE action. Any action by the state to blatantly discriminate against our children will be fought vigorously.
    That will surely make sure any rules are not changes because the state cannot and will not spend the money on lawyers.

    If they cannot discriminate against any child why can't 19 year olds participate? Why not fight that cause also?

    This is not discrimination, if they set rules that will allow privates to participate if they follow certain rules.

    I have never nor will I ever wish that private school be removed from the KHSAA. This basically affects football, (Which I am not a fan of), and would only hurt the other minor sports if Private schools are removed.

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    [QUOTE=rockmom]I agree with you 100%. Back in the beginning, education was a privilege....part of the problem we have in public schools is that some kids are FORCED to go to school, which causes them to be disruptive and bring down the levels of concentration within the school setting.

    Therein lies the difference.QUOTE]

    Hey did we just agree? jk

    You have used the same examples I use in denouncing compulsary education.

    This is the point I have been trying to make all along. This is the major and only difference between private and public.

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    I believe that public and private schools need to be held to the same standards. I don't think any of the proposals we've discussed do that. They need to find a middleground and apply it to all schools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldschoolwrestler
    That will surely make sure any rules are not changes because the state cannot and will not spend the money on lawyers.

    If they cannot discriminate against any child why can't 19 year olds participate? Why not fight that cause also?

    This is not discrimination, if they set rules that will allow privates to participate if they follow certain rules.

    I have never nor will I ever wish that private school be removed from the KHSAA. This basically affects football, (Which I am not a fan of), and would only hurt the other minor sports if Private schools are removed.
    We do follow the rules. The same rules that apply to every other member of the KHSAA. Every one of these proposals is an attempt to establish different rules for private schools than those that apply to the public schools. It is blatant discrimination.

    Your example of 19 year olds doesn't wash. It applies to ALL 19 year olds. It is perfectly reasonable for the KHSAA to have rules, but the same rules have to apply to all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinity alum
    We do follow the rules. The same rules that apply to every other member of the KHSAA. Every one of these proposals is an attempt to establish different rules for private schools than those that apply to the public schools. It is blatant discrimination.

    Your example of 19 year olds doesn't wash. It applies to ALL 19 year olds. It is perfectly reasonable for the KHSAA to have rules, but the same rules have to apply to all.
    I think we may be arguing two different things here. Proposal 1 is not asking that private schools leave KHSAA. They are only asking that ALL schools have boundries for participants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldschoolwrestler
    I think we may be arguing two different things here. Proposal 1 is not asking that private schools leave KHSAA. They are only asking that ALL schools have boundries for participants.
    Again, we're losing focus. There aren't any proposals asking private schools to leave the KHSAA. Just separate the post seasons. Anyway, you're correct this is about the boundary rule. I don't understand why the public schools just don't lift their district restriction.

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    Tinity alum I just realized why you said "keep laughing. I should have kept the smilies out of the comment. I never use them well.

    It wasn't meant to irk anyone. The smilly that is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldschoolwrestler
    I think we may be arguing two different things here. Proposal 1 is not asking that private schools leave KHSAA. They are only asking that ALL schools have boundries for participants.
    Proposal 1 applies a different set of rules to private schools than is applied to public schools. Public schools have no boundaries within their district and can extend their district's boundaries by a simple agreement with other districts. Private schools have a fixed geographic boundary that experience shows is exceeded by their current student population athlete and non athlete. Are all public schools to be limited to 20 miles?

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