Prop #20 and football schedules

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    Prop #20 and football schedules

    Since schedules are done in advance what impact will Prop #20 have? If you are Beechwood, for example, can you just drop Newport Central Catholic and Covington Holy Cross from your schedule no questions asked? Should you? Anyone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by theguru
    Since schedules are done in advance what impact will Prop #20 have? If you are Beechwood, for example, can you just drop Newport Central Catholic and Covington Holy Cross from your schedule no questions asked? Should you? Anyone?
    As far as District Play, there is no need to play them. It becomes a School to School decision, and I see Beechwood keeping NCC and HHS keeping Cov Cath if those two don't bail on the KHSAA. I doubt NCC will, yet...

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    I would think if it's a school that voted yes. Then they will have no problem with just dropping a team.

    But for the schools that voted No, would there be sancitons or actions taken against them in the future if they did not drop the private schools? I dont know, just wondering that.

    I don't see how anyone can just drop a team they have become use to playing. You would have to think the students/coaches/players have come to know the opposing schools well enough where they may feel some sort of remorse.

    I'd say teams will be dropped from sch. and those teams will just play the games they have to. But not all schools will do this.

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    In reality, this ruling doesn't mean much to district games. Those districts will remain in place until this action becomes law and that may be quite a few years. However, I wouldn't hesitate to drop a team that voted for the split from a non-district game. For example, I would hope that Coach Lampley has already sent the letter to notify Manual that we will not play them in 06'.

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    I know that X already has some sort of an alternate schedule for next year if things snowball. I know it could take years but I feel if it is going to happen it will happen quick. I am with LSU on the fact that we should not play any non district teams and kill the one's we do play, No Mercy, like in the past.

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    Deimos, you bring up an interesting point. I wonder if there will be any retaliation between public schools voting yes and public schools that voted no. Could another set of boycotts be on the horizon?

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    According to what I've read, I believe the districts remain intact, and all members oif a district must continue to play each other. It is only when playoff berths are announced that public and private will be segregated. In the district you mention it would look like this perhaps (my best guess):

    Bellevue #1 seed public
    NCC #1 seed private
    Beechwood #2 seed public
    Holy Cross #2 seed private
    Dayton #3 seed public
    Ludlow #4 seed public
    Bracken Co, a hardy handshake, and maybe hope for eliminating independents next.

    BTW - the 1a private brackets would include all private schools in that class:
    Bethlehem
    KCD
    Fort Knox (not sure of public/private status)
    Louisville Holy Cross
    Covington Holy Cross
    NCC
    Evangel Christian (opted out of state playoffs to date)

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    If the public schools decided not to play Owensboro Catholic, who would they play considering there are no other football playing private schools within one hundred miles of Owensboro?

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    I'm glad you brought up Owensboro Catholic. Being an O'Cath grad I was feeling that prop 20 hurt O'Cath the most. I know that the Daviess Co schools and Owensboro city school voted yes to the prop. Why would O'Cath want to play them anymore and give them the huge gate we bring in every game? Coach Edge might be looking for an alternative schedule as well, but I don't know if he could find ten teams to fill the schedule. This whole thing is ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4chs
    If the public schools decided not to play Owensboro Catholic, who would they play considering there are no other football playing private schools within one hundred miles of Owensboro?
    They could play in Evansville. They have two catholic high schools and I believe they are both co-ed.

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    I have a feeling that more SW Ohio schools will be getting calls from KY high schools in the near future.

    As GT stated, I am sure good teams such as Beechwood and Highlands will keep CCH and NCC on the schedule no matter what, face it, they are good teams and help out both Beechwood and Highlands by giving them great competition.

    I am not too sure about HC, depends on what they have coming up, But I would like to see more Beechwood Vs GCL North match ups.

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    I don't believe that prop 20 said anything about regular season play. It only seperated post season play. I for one would hope that great games like Male vs X would continue and would expect them to. Probably even get a Male vs Trinity game in. They just won't compete together in playoff games. Lexington public schools would be crazy to not play Lex Cath if there was no playoff implications. They would make some good money at the gates. In Western Ky. maybe Hopkinsville and Christian Co. would start playing UHA again in the regular season in basketball. Knowing they were not going to compete agaisnt them in the playoffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 90Rock
    They could play in Evansville. They have two catholic high schools and I believe they are both co-ed.
    You're correct they have Mater Dei (2A) and Memorial (3A). OCHS played a home and home against Mater Dei in the 90's and they were not very competitive, but that was during the Holowell era, and they were quite a different team back then. Three yards and a cloud of dust, with a jump pass thrown in now and then.

    Thats great, but what would they do for the other 8 games? I do not know of any other private schools in Indiana or Illinois with football teams that would be any closer than traveling to Louisville.

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    There has to be some redistricting done doesn't there? Take the Highlands football district. With only 4 teams, one being a non public, if 4 teams advance to the public football playoffs where does the 4th one come from? I believe the KHSAA staff is doing an "impact study" to determine how Prop 20 will have an impact on all sports. Issues like the need to redistrict will be looked at in the study.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hey-Ref
    According to what I've read, I believe the districts remain intact, and all members oif a district must continue to play each other. It is only when playoff berths are announced that public and private will be segregated. In the district you mention it would look like this perhaps (my best guess):

    Bellevue #1 seed public
    NCC #1 seed private
    Beechwood #2 seed public
    Holy Cross #2 seed private
    Dayton #3 seed public
    Ludlow #4 seed public
    Bracken Co, a hardy handshake, and maybe hope for eliminating independents next.

    BTW - the 1a private brackets would include all private schools in that class:
    Bethlehem
    KCD
    Fort Knox (not sure of public/private status)
    Louisville Holy Cross
    Covington Holy Cross
    NCC
    Evangel Christian (opted out of state playoffs to date)
    Sorry, that isn't correct. No way could you determine tiebreakers, etc among teams where games played between teams not paired for postseason could break the tie. If it is a split, it is a split. Separate districts, etc. Now that doesn't mean schools couldn't discretionarily play one another in non-district games. But what you have described is not accurate.

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