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    I know this is a huge topic of discussion, never more so than now with 5 private schools being in the Football Finals. In my opinion, the awarding of scholarships by the Private schools is what makes the playing field so uneven. I know the Private school supporters will say that its for kids who have need and its primarily for academics. I know there are some kids who recieve that type of aid, but everyone knows what those scholarships are for. I would like to see the elimination of this practice, in my opinion, that would help level out the playing field. If someone wants to send their kid anywhere and pay the bill, I have no problem with them doing that, even if they are recruted. Its their dime, they can spend it any way they want to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Braveheart
    I know this is a huge topic of discussion, never more so than now with 5 private schools being in the Football Finals. In my opinion, the awarding of scholarships by the Private schools is what makes the playing field so uneven. I know the Private school supporters will say that its for kids who have need and its primarily for academics. I know there are some kids who recieve that type of aid, but everyone knows what those scholarships are for. I would like to see the elimination of this practice, in my opinion, that would help level out the playing field. If someone wants to send their kid anywhere and pay the bill, I have no problem with them doing that, even if they are recruted. Its their dime, they can spend it any way they want to.


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    Braveheart I am disappointed. Do you understand the legality issues of offering "athletic" scholarships to kids, and not others who do not participate in any sport?

    You should know better than that.

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    "everyone knows what those scholarships are for"

    Quote Originally Posted by Braveheart
    I know this is a huge topic of discussion, never more so than now with 5 private schools being in the Football Finals. In my opinion, the awarding of scholarships by the Private schools is what makes the playing field so uneven. I know the Private school supporters will say that its for kids who have need and its primarily for academics. I know there are some kids who recieve that type of aid, but everyone knows what those scholarships are for. I would like to see the elimination of this practice, in my opinion, that would help level out the playing field. If someone wants to send their kid anywhere and pay the bill, I have no problem with them doing that, even if they are recruted. Its their dime, they can spend it any way they want to.
    If you think that financial aid at private schools is there to recruit athletes, then you're dead wrong (and maybe a little bit paranoid). Try to remember that these are schools we're talking about and not sports academies. I know this is a sports discussion board but there's a great big world out there and sports are just small parts of it.

    Another way of looking at it is that there are 3 out of those 8 schools in the finals that give "scholarships" to everyone on the team. They even provide free transportation to and from school. If I had to guess, I'd say they probably pay their teachers better too.

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    I agree with Braveheart. Let all the ones that can afford to go to the private schools go but the ones that cant have to suffer with all the other kids and go to those horrible public schools. I dont agree with scholarships or helping a kid attend a school that they cant afford just cause they are a good athlete. My question is would they offer the same assitance to a child with downsyndrome if they couldnt afford to go to a private school?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JC Alumni 76
    I agree with Braveheart. Let all the ones that can afford to go to the private schools go but the ones that cant have to suffer with all the other kids and go to those horrible public schools. I dont agree with scholarships or helping a kid attend a school that they cant afford just cause they are a good athlete. My question is would they offer the same assitance to a child with downsyndrome if they couldnt afford to go to a private school?
    <b>YES!</b>

    Financial aid is awarded through a blind evaluation process by a one of the agencies approved by the KHSAA, without any regard as to whether the student is involved in sports.

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    So if I am a single parent that can't afford full tuition and want my kid to go to a catholic he/she should not be allowed if they are an athlete????

    I want everyone of you to think about this.....
    If the role was reversed....if this was you....if it was your kid and you wanted the same as I just posted....would it be OK then???????????????????

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    Quote Originally Posted by pancho
    <b>YES!</b>

    Financial aid is awarded through a blind evaluation process by a one of the agencies approved by the KHSAA, without any regard as to whether the student is involved in sports.
    How is it fair when Lex. Cath. can have players from anywhere come in and play? If they can pay, it doesn't matter what district they live in. I hope the privates win all four classes. The KHSAA isn't going to change anything because they are afraid of changing the almighty sweet sixteen!!! :fight: :flame: :flame:

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    Does anyone know the percentage of aid given to Non-sports performance students verus sports performance students? I don't have a dog in this fight and I'm unwilling to voice an opinion unless I know what the percentage is and understand how all of this works. Do these kids who play sports come from all areas of Kentucky? Can they come in from another state that borders your area? Do they have to be Catholic in order to go to a Catholic school? Could someone explain this to me in simple terms? I will say this even not knowing the answers to this question. If I were the parent of a child I'd want the very best for him or her and would be willing to do whatever it takes (without it being illegal) to get the best education I can. If my child played sports and if one school could give my child a better chance (without it being illegal) I'd do whatever I could in that area also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHIEF
    How is it fair when Lex. Cath. can have players from anywhere come in and play? If they can pay, it doesn't matter what district they live in. I hope the privates win all four classes. The KHSAA isn't going to change anything because they are afraid of changing the almighty sweet sixteen!!!
    Honestly, I do see your point. The only way I can console you is to say that I believe that everyone who goes to LexCath (or other non-public schools) should have to pay some kind of annual fee (to make going there significantly less attractive). Let's call that fee something like ... "tuition". Now because we really shouldn't discriminate against people simply on the basis of financial circumstance, let's put into place some kind of system that "levels the playing field" for those of very modest financial means. Let's call that "financial aid". Now does it seem more fair to you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JC Alumni 76
    I agree with Braveheart. Let all the ones that can afford to go to the private schools go but the ones that cant have to suffer with all the other kids and go to those horrible public schools. I dont agree with scholarships or helping a kid attend a school that they cant afford just cause they are a good athlete. My question is would they offer the same assitance to a child with downsyndrome if they couldnt afford to go to a private school?
    The answer to your question is yes. Aid is delivered via a third party clearing house that has no idea of who the kid is other than his data. Frankly, I'm pretty tired of posting this same info. The fact is that in almost all of the cases of "recruiting" punished by the KHSAA, the violators were public schools.

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    Let me weigh in on this with a couple of thoughts. Those who know me locally will probably rip me for it.

    First, private schoolers, you have an advantage in athletics being able to award scholarships to out of area players who are better athletes. You inflame the debate when you make comments suggesting that you do not. You are able to raise tremendous amounts of money for facilities, staff, and other items that are a "draw," and that is an advantage. Please do not go on camera and talk about the bias against your poor team, when a few short steps away you have 150 in uniform standing on the sideline of a multimillion dollar facility. Instead, focus on your better arguments, some of which are listed below.

    Second, the real question that noone wants to answer is, Why are parents sending their kids to private schools? Is it because in this state, education has been relegated to the lowest common denominator? Is it because the management of public school funds is atrocious? Is it because the educational establishment of public schools is tunnell-visioned? If you want to begin to address inequity in public vs. private, like any other enterprise, publics need to make their product better. If St. X comes to the parents of a 6'5" 275 lb. freshmen-to-be and says we'd like you become a Xavieran Brother, the parents aren't just looking at football, they're saying "Hey, my son is going to be well-educated." If, however, his local public school has recruited the best and brightest teachers and has a top-notch curriculum, they might say, "No thanks, he's going to stay here at John Hardin and use my tax dollars, and he'll see you in the Region Final."

    Third, Prop 20 is inherently anti-competetive. Kids think, "to be the best, I've got to beat the best." Kids are inherently competetive. America is inherently competetive. We want to win, but not against a watered-down opponent. You know what, it shouldn't be a shocker that they're going to have to compete against money and power. Its that way in real life. You have to beat your head agains the wall a hundred times and get it busted, but one day you're going to take Goliath down, and the victory is that much sweeter. I hear proponents say "Does it really teach a kid anything to get drubbed 63-0 year in and year out?" YES, it does. It teaches you to stand toe-to-toe with the champ and give your best shot. It teaches you not to quit. It should motivate you to improve yourself. I hear proponents say that "kids should be playing to win. If they can't win a championship, they just won't play." If that is the attitude, then I don't want them to. Yes, you play to win. That is the objective, to win the cahmpionship. But you want to win against the best, to challenge yourself, to exceed expectation, not to win simply to say that you won. If you fall short, but exceeded expectation, are you a "loser?" Your answer to that question defines who you really are.

    Fourth, we know it can be done. Look at Danville, Boyle County, Highlands, Beechwood (incidentally, this is not a football, nor is it even a male, issue. There are numerous other sports, male and female, in which privates have this advantage, some to a ridiculous extent, but the rules of engagement remain constant. Football just happens to be most visible) These schools are strangely silent. Emulate their programs and see how to win with consistency.

    Fifth, institutional success begins young. The Catholics in Louisville have had a youth program for 50 years. Its awesome. Publics, get your kids committed to a program at a young age and make it so hard to leave that they don't.

    I am not a Catholic. I went to public school. My kids will probably go to public schools. But I like to win, and with many public schools right now I see them playing to "be fair" and not to win. That is the wrong way. Fix your schools. Beat them in the classroom, and the gridiron and hardcourt will follow. Just my two cents.

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    Nice post and a good one to end this thread on.

    Some of your posts need to be reports to the KHSAA and not posts on BGP.

    http://www.khsaa.org/contact.htm

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