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    Quote Originally Posted by cshs81
    If sitting out one year of athletics keeps you from sending your child to a particular school, maybe you (collective 'you') need to re-evaluate your priorities.
    Why else would I send my kids to school, besides for sports?
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldschoolwrestler
    This is the downfall of our society, to many frivolous, which this would fall under. IMO
    Why would you consider it frivolous?

    If I want a private school education for my child and the valuable lessons that come from participation in sports why should I not test if this 20 mile barrier is legal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by All Tell
    Why would you consider it frivolous?

    If I want a private school education for my child and the valuable lessons that come from participation in sports why should I not test if this 20 mile barrier is legal?
    It would be frivolous because it buts the schools in a financial lose, lose situation. If they are sued and win they still lose money for legal representation.

    Why don't we just allow everyone to recruit athletes into their school systems? Make it legal. Whats the worst that can happen?

    Oh wait a minute we can't do that then those power schools will win all the time, other schools will not be able to compete with them, those schools that can never compete will drop their teams for lack of interest. Then the 3-10 schools can fight over it themselves.

    Hmm this sounds like prop 20. So we must all be on the same page since it will all end up the same way.

    by the way I am NOT for prop 20 nor will I ever be.

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    So the only reason it is frivolous is because it will cost the schools money?

    Was the lawsuit that ended segregation frivolous? It put the school in a lose-lose situation? Had they won it would have still cost them money to defend against the suit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by All Tell
    So anyone who lives outside the magical 20 mile barrier and wants both what they see as the advantages of a private education AND the experiences of athletics should just wait the year and shut up. Does that pretty much sum up your feelings?
    I'm assuming your response was to my post.

    If so...

    My feelings are simple. If a private education is a priority to you for your child then sitting out one year of sports should not be an issue. If you TRULY are desiring the perceived benefits of attending a private school, you would still send your child to that school even if they had to sit out one year.

    Now, if its not the freshman year , that could be a different story.

    If it is the freshman year and if not being able to play sports is a deal-breaker, yes, your priorities are not in order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cshs81
    I'm assuming your response was to my post.

    If so...

    My feelings are simple. If a private education is a priority to you for your child then sitting out one year of sports should not be an issue. If you TRULY are desiring the perceived benefits of attending a private school, you would still send your child to that school even if they had to sit out one year.

    Now, if its not the freshman year , that could be a different story.

    If it is the freshman year and if not being able to play sports is a deal-breaker, yes, your priorities are not in order.
    I agree with your logic, and I'll take it one step farther. If you attend a school that doesn't win very much you should just live with it. After all, if you are worried about whether your team wins your priorities are not in order.

    Yes this was intended to be sarcastic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinity alum
    I agree with your logic, and I'll take it one step farther. If you attend a school that doesn't win very much you should just live with it. After all, if you are worried about whether your team wins your priorities are not in order.

    Yes this was intended to be sarcastic.
    Who says you have to live with it? If a winning team AND a private school education are your priorities, then find the right school that meets those criterion. However, don't whine if you're more than 20 miles away and have to sit out a year.

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    If a student has gone to a private school as an elementary and middle student and has played sports then I think that he or she should also be able to do that in high school. The 20 mile barrier is just an arbitrary number. Why not 30 or 50? If a parent is willing to take on the financial burden of a private school and is will to bear the cost of transportation to and from they they should be able to do so with NO penalty of any kind, including participation in athletics.

    And I'm still hoping that someone will give me a reason why the proposal that calls for a student that changes from public to private school after middle school to lose a year of eligibility shouldn't also apply to students who leave private school after 8th grade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cshs81
    Who says you have to live with it? If a winning team AND a private school education are your priorities, then find the right school that meets those criterion. However, don't whine if you're more than 20 miles away and have to sit out a year.
    My kids are out of school, but I would have sued in a heartbeat if any of these discriminatory proposals had affected one of my kids. The 20 mile limit is discriminatory in that it only applies to private schools. It is arbitrary in that there is no basis for it. It is illogical in that it will do nothing to change the competitive balance. I think that those schools that vote for these proposals had better be ready to defend them in court. I think they will be very hard to defend. And let's be clear about it. If the KHSAA has to spend a lot of money defending lawsuits and that hurts the students of Kentucky, it will be those that voted for these proposals that are at fault, not the people that are only defending their children from discrimination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by All Tell
    And I'm still hoping that someone will give me a reason why the proposal that calls for a student that changes from public to private school after middle school to lose a year of eligibility shouldn't also apply to students who leave private school after 8th grade.
    There is a very simple reason why that isn't part of the proposal. A lot more kids move from private schools to public schools than move the other way.

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    I would agree that if a student has spent his elementary or middle school years in a private school, he should be allowed to continue that education and eligible for sports. The situations that arise where a player has spent 8 years in a public education, even played on the HS teams where the school and coaching staff has invested in time and resources into that player and then they end up their freshmen year at a private school over 20 miles away leaves a bad taste in people's mouth.

    Surely you would agree that this is not a situation that is something to encourage. I heard recently that a player in Meade County 7th grader received a package of information about the private school's in Jefferson County. The KHSAA looked into it and did NOT consider it recruitment because who can prove where or whom it came from. The player just happened to be the best player on their team and the ONLY one to receive the packet. Coincidence, I think not.


    Again, the KHSAA has ALREADY looked into this situation so I don't think I am breaking any BGP rules. If I did, mods please remove this post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinity alum
    My kids are out of school, but I would have sued in a heartbeat if any of these discriminatory proposals had affected one of my kids. The 20 mile limit is discriminatory in that it only applies to private schools. It is arbitrary in that there is no basis for it. It is illogical in that it will do nothing to change the competitive balance. I think that those schools that vote for these proposals had better be ready to defend them in court. I think they will be very hard to defend. And let's be clear about it. If the KHSAA has to spend a lot of money defending lawsuits and that hurts the students of Kentucky, it will be those that voted for these proposals that are at fault, not the people that are only defending their children from discrimination.
    Look, I agree the proposal is bad. My point deals with the likelihood that some version of it passes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ladiesbballcoach
    I would agree that if a student has spent his elementary or middle school years in a private school, he should be allowed to continue that education and eligible for sports. The situations that arise where a player has spent 8 years in a public education, even played on the HS teams where the school and coaching staff has invested in time and resources into that player and then they end up their freshmen year at a private school over 20 miles away leaves a bad taste in people's mouth.

    Surely you would agree that this is not a situation that is something to encourage. I heard recently that a player in Meade County 7th grader received a package of information about the private school's in Jefferson County. The KHSAA looked into it and did NOT consider it recruitment because who can prove where or whom it came from. The player just happened to be the best player on their team and the ONLY one to receive the packet. Coincidence, I think not.


    Again, the KHSAA has ALREADY looked into this situation so I don't think I am breaking any BGP rules. If I did, mods please remove this post.
    I think that kids that play on a high school team at any level, frosh, jv or varsity, should be subject to the transfer rules. That would include middle school players. I have also suggested that all contact between prospective students and any member of the coaching staff or athletic department be prohibited outside a closely supervised in school setting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinity alum
    I think that kids that play on a high school team at any level, frosh, jv or varsity, should be subject to the transfer rules. That would include middle school players.
    Proposal 4 and 5 address what you are saying. Presently, nothing does. From my understanding the first 19 proposals are changes in bylaws and will be addressed and voted on first. Depending upon which ones pass, it should affect what is done with Prop 20. It is separate because it is a change in the Constitution and has to be voted on separately.

    Of course, either of these get passed and you have situations where a 6th grader could run cross country or play a golf match and their eligibility is established for ALL sports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cshs81
    Look, I agree the proposal is bad. My point deals with the likelihood that some version of it passes.
    I think you will see the proposal in it's present format removed from the voting and a proposal FROM a major PRIVATE school that is similar in nature take it's place.

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