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    Quote Originally Posted by ladiesbballcoach
    You listen to Al Sharpton and Louis Farankan, then Bush is a racists too. I don't think you can make a judgement like THIS on the 195 people who voted YES by the calls of some very STOOPID people that call into a talk show or post under an username on the Internet.

    I have talked to many coaches, administrators and school personnel across the state on this issue and have NEVER heard one comment that would give me cause to think this. Remember, this includes seating with coaches throughout the state at the girls state tournament as we watched 5 state tournaments in a row won by a Catholic school.

    Remember, my view is tainted from my experiences in dealing with public school personnel that were making the call on how to vote. Do I know all 195, no way. I cannot make that blanket statement but I do not believe that there is a anti-Catholic movement in HS athletics out there.

    Why in this country can we not disagree on something without one side saying it is some sort of discriminatory practice by the other side? It is getting to the point that you cannot disagree with someone for fear of being called a bigot.

    Well that was a soapbox I didn't plan on getting on top of today.
    LBBC,

    It would be silly for me to think all 195 based their vote on anti-catholic. I don't think Lloyd or Ryle did so in NKY. But I do think there is a good chunk or a good sized minority who feel this way. In some of the parts of the state where the other Christian religions still stick their nose up to Catholics. Some other denomontations hate the fact Catholics acheive something and are in the spotlight.

    I have experienced this personally throughout my life, so your not going to convince me it doesn't exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ladiesbballcoach
    Did you even read the post to get a context this statement was made or just like pulling one part out to make it sound different?

    Please do not treat my posts like media soundbites and pull out one part to make it sound different than it was designed to be.

    The post was made in that if I was going to hear any ANTI-CATHOLIC comments it would have been during the 5 years and 75 games that two Catholic schools were winning the girls state title. AND I HEARD NO ANTI-CATHOLIC COMMENTS DURING THAT TIME.


    Reflecting back on AllTell's and RM's post. I do concede that the environment that this is being discussed in Jefferson County is probably a lot different than in rural count Kentucky or NKY. I have not heard it mention one time on NKY/Cincy radio. It might have been discussed, but it is not discussed in great detail. Radio up here likes to talk Bengals. WHO DEY!.
    Actually if you listen to 1360 Homer. Jeff Picero and the 2 Angry guys talked about it a good deal. Lance Mcallister only mentioned it slightly. If anything all the Cincy Radio stations are doing is making fun of Ky for even thinking of doing this.

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    I've never heard anyone express anti-Catholic sentiments in this debate. Just because someone is critical of the way some Catholic schools run their athletic programs doesn't mean they're a bigot or have some sort of religion-based bias.

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    Quote Originally Posted by westsider
    I've never heard anyone express anti-Catholic sentiments in this debate. Just because someone is critical of the way some Catholic schools run their athletic programs doesn't mean they're a bigot or have some sort of religion-based bias.
    Do you not listen to the radio or read the paper? Its not even that its just one on one conversations I've had. I went on a trip with a summer team in grade school. Another team in the tourney had a Catholic school name, in an eastern part of ky. I definently heard some negative comment made by fans referring to the kids being Catholic and they had to cheat. There have been many experiences like this over the years. I would go as far as to say if you don't think this plays a minor role your blind to the situation.

    There are still some Protestant forms of Christianity who tell their kids Catholicism is cult like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigStud
    I definently heard some negative comment made by fans referring to the kids being Catholic and they had to cheat.
    Accusing a Catholic school of cheating isn't the same thing as showing religious bigotry. Again, it's the specific schools and their athletic programs that draw the ire of public schools and their supporters, not their religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by westsider
    Accusing a Catholic school of cheating isn't the same thing as showing religious bigotry. Again, it's the specific schools and their athletic programs that draw the ire of public schools and their supporters, not their religion.

    But, westsider, maybe you haven't heard what we have heard. And, there's a lot more to a statement than the words. The inflection, the tone, the strategic placement of words. Typing the statement: "Those Catholic schools need to have their own playoffs" sounds a LOT different when Catholic is said with a derogatory, snide tone, and the inflection is on the word "Catholic".

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockmom
    But, westsider, maybe you haven't heard what we have heard. And, there's a lot more to a statement than the words. The inflection, the tone, the strategic placement of words. Typing the statement: "Those Catholic schools need to have their own playoffs" sounds a LOT different when Catholic is said with a derogatory, snide tone, and the inflection is on the word "Catholic".
    Rockmom-

    Westsider won't listen to you even if you show evidence or newspaper clippings, or previous posts he will deny it and say it means something else. Just like Sears and McKee did in that round table talk. What he doesn't understand is that the same public schools in Jefferson County are getting any kids they want. He doesn't understand the advantage of a Catholic school is the school pride, the bonds with family. Yes religion is a big part of this because it is why the Private schools are successful. The Catholic people are about family. I AM NOT SAYING ALL Public Schools are not about the kid, but some public schools I have been around don't care. HE knows it and WE know it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rambo4343
    Rockmom-

    Westsider won't listen to you even if you show evidence or newspaper clippings, or previous posts he will deny it and say it means something else. Just like Sears and McKee did in that round table talk.

    Actually, westsider is a good guy, with an enormous amount of knowledge. Don't let his diagreement affect the fact that his views are largely to be admired and respected. I think in this instance, as with many in other parts of the state, there are not as many of the undertones involved as in some of the more densely populated areas. Westsider is a very good guy, and I bear no animosity toward his view...even if he is wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockmom
    But, westsider, maybe you haven't heard what we have heard. And, there's a lot more to a statement than the words. The inflection, the tone, the strategic placement of words. Typing the statement: "Those Catholic schools need to have their own playoffs" sounds a LOT different when Catholic is said with a derogatory, snide tone, and the inflection is on the word "Catholic".
    I don't known what you have heard, rockmom, but I've talked to people all over the state about this issue, and never once have I gotten the impression that religion is any part of this debate.

    Again, I think the resentment is toward the schools themselves, not the Catholic religion as a whole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rambo4343
    Westsider won't listen to you even if you show evidence or newspaper clippings, or previous posts he will deny it and say it means something else. Just like Sears and McKee did in that round table talk. What he doesn't understand is that the same public schools in Jefferson County are getting any kids they want. He doesn't understand the advantage of a Catholic school is the school pride, the bonds with family.
    Rambo, you're the one that has made erroneous accusations, and you've been called on it. Actually, you don't know a freakin' thing about what I do and don't understand. Stick to the things you actually know about, whatever they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by westsider
    Rambo, you're the one that has made erroneous accusations, and you've been called on it. Actually, you don't know a freakin' thing about what I do and don't understand. Stick to the things you actually know about, whatever they are.

    Please name the false accusations. What I say is the truth you don't know what I know. Oh, Rockmom and I have called you out on it. Trust me I know what is being said about Catholics. OPEN YOUR EARS MR. SEARS I mean westsider and listen to the comments.

    Also I think Rockmom was being sarcastic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rambo4343
    Please name the false accusations. What I say is the truth you don't know what I know. Oh, Rockmom and I have called you out on it. Trust me I know what is being said about Catholics. OPEN YOUR EARS MR. SEARS I mean westsider and listen to the comments.

    Also I think Rockmom was being sarcastic.

    No, I was being serious. I meant what I said. Also, I'm not a big fan of "calling people out". I just try to present what I know, what I've heard, and what I've witnessed.

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    I'll say this much because it happened on 2 seperate occasions to me while I was in high school. Traveling down during playoffs there were signs of "beat the catlics" (apparently there is no h or o in catholic in some areas of the state). There were no signs of beating our school or beating our mascot, but beat the catlics. Those were both one of the few times I have ever been ashamed to be a protestant. Whether you wish to deny it or not, although not everywhere, anti-catholicism does exist around this state. Although not all not all the representatives might share this view, I believe it had a part in there decision in just more than a few.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockmom
    No, I was being serious. I meant what I said. Also, I'm not a big fan of "calling people out". I just try to present what I know, what I've heard, and what I've witnessed.
    If people don't think, some people in power in the rural communties haven't thought "We are losing to the Catholics, someone must be cheating" you must be living under a rock. God for bid the Catholic schools might just be outworking alot of their counterparts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Offcentre67
    I'll say this much because it happened on 2 seperate occasions to me while I was in high school. Traveling down during playoffs there were signs of "beat the catlics" (apparently there is no h or o in catholic in some areas of the state). There were no signs of beating our school or beating our mascot, but beat the catlics. Those were both one of the few times I have ever been ashamed to be a protestant. Whether you wish to deny it or not, although not everywhere, anti-catholicism does exist around this state. Although not all not all the representatives might share this view, I believe it had a part in there decision in just more than a few.
    Could you imagine a sign for a mostly black school or a jewish school, and a sign refering to beating them in that manner, it would never pass. But for some reason the same does not hold true to Catholics and people just brush it off as not a big deal.

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