KET's KY Tonight on 10/31-About the Public/Private Topic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rambo4343
    Sorry 3 things.
    You just got carried away correct?
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    Were these really the best advocates that the publics could offer? If McKee, Sears, and Sexton are typical representatives of the publics, it is no wonder that they seek their version of a "level" playing field. They are looking for major concessions- not a reasonable compromise. Maybe they should try working a little harder.

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    It was clear to me that Sears wants no compromise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rambo4343
    It is just like the principal from Paducah Tilghman said "this is border-line discrimination". Lawsuits, lawsuits, lawsuits.
    Again not doing their homework.

    I agree with your post except this. How can a lawsuit come about when other states have a private school division?

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    I also got the impression that Sears was not in favor of any compromise. Does anyone know why Prop 20 was moved to the top of the voting agenda? Could it be that the publics wanted to quash any type of compromise that may have come out with the other propositions. I have heard from some that every time an agreement in principle was reached during the discussions before the vote that the public school side would add more stipulations. Just a gut feeling but I strongly doubt that the private schools will accept any compromise that makes any incoming freshman ineligible unless there is a reciprocal stipulation that the public schools must follow. Define the feeder system for the private schools as the parochial elementary and middle schools and define the feeder school for the public schools as the public middle schools. If anyone enrolls at a school other then one that they are in a feeder for then they sit out a year. Note that as the public side has stated ad nauseum that no one would be taking any parents choice of school away from them. If they want a definitive border then put the 20 mile rule into effect BUT if a child from outside that 20 mile limit that has attended parochial school wants to attend a private high school and there is not one within 20 miles of them, they should be allowed to attend the school of their choice and play sports with no penalty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockmom
    The above comments by McKee & Spears were ludicrous in my opinion, and that reasoning may be the downfall of any attempts that the Private schools put forth in compromising. I can understand (to a minor degree, mind you) that the Public schools want some action. However, they can't have their cake and eat it too. It leads me to believe that, at least from the public school perspective, compromise is not the ultimate goal...the ultimate goal is a Prop 20, or Prop 20-like solution. I also found it interesting that Mr. Spears himself said he saw no problems in basketball, but wanted to state that it would open up doors for schools who'd never achieved post season success to do so if change occurred. How?

    I wish the program could have been more than an hour. I wish more people had called in. I wish I'd have had the number to call in myself. I think this whole mess needs more investigation into solutions, not radical change.
    I find this to be an interesting comment as well. Somerset HS gears up its whole basketball season for the All A Classic. In each of the last four years, Somerset's boys team was knocked out by a private school -- twice in the finals (UHA) and once more in the semis (Rose Hill/Mayo/Walker). They want those privates gone altogether.

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    Quote Originally Posted by All Tell
    I also got the impression that Sears was not in favor of any compromise. Does anyone know why Prop 20 was moved to the top of the voting agenda? Could it be that the publics wanted to quash any type of compromise that may have come out with the other propositions. I have heard from some that every time an agreement in principle was reached during the discussions before the vote that the public school side would add more stipulations. Just a gut feeling but I strongly doubt that the private schools will accept any compromise that makes any incoming freshman ineligible unless there is a reciprocal stipulation that the public schools must follow. Define the feeder system for the private schools as the parochial elementary and middle schools and define the feeder school for the public schools as the public middle schools. If anyone enrolls at a school other then one that they are in a feeder for then they sit out a year. Note that as the public side has stated ad nauseum that no one would be taking any parents choice of school away from them. If they want a definitive border then put the 20 mile rule into effect BUT if a child from outside that 20 mile limit that has attended parochial school wants to attend a private high school and there is not one within 20 miles of them, they should be allowed to attend the school of their choice and play sports with no penalty.
    I would agree with a lot of what you have here. I think the movement of the voting was a strategic move. If Prop 1, 4 or 5 and the one on tuition would have passed, we would have seen some schools not support Prop 20. But with Prop 20 going first and not knowing what the other voting turnouts would be, schools voted for Prop 20 believing something had to be done.

    One point, while there may be some that are doing this for individual school reasons, 195, (I believe that was the vote for it's passage) administrators representing high schools from across the state can totally be wrong or offbase on this issue.

    Also, I agree that the 20-mile should go both ways.

    Now something get the smelling salts for All Tell because I am agreeing with him/her on the private/public debate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ladiesbballcoach
    One point, while there may be some that are doing this for individual school reasons, 195, (I believe that was the vote for it's passage) administrators representing high schools from across the state can totally be wrong or offbase on this issue.
    It's easy to be totally, completely, and entirely wrong AND off base when you are being fed half truths and lies by your "leadership".

    BTW - I believe you meant to say cannot. If not, welcome to the light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sweet16
    I agree with your post except this. How can a lawsuit come about when other states have a private school division?
    People file lawsuits for anything. I think this is a anti-catholic movement. I believe it goes a little more than just athletics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by All Tell
    I also got the impression that Sears was not in favor of any compromise. Does anyone know why Prop 20 was moved to the top of the voting agenda? Could it be that the publics wanted to quash any type of compromise that may have come out with the other propositions. I have heard from some that every time an agreement in principle was reached during the discussions before the vote that the public school side would add more stipulations. Just a gut feeling but I strongly doubt that the private schools will accept any compromise that makes any incoming freshman ineligible unless there is a reciprocal stipulation that the public schools must follow. Define the feeder system for the private schools as the parochial elementary and middle schools and define the feeder school for the public schools as the public middle schools. If anyone enrolls at a school other then one that they are in a feeder for then they sit out a year. Note that as the public side has stated ad nauseum that no one would be taking any parents choice of school away from them. If they want a definitive border then put the 20 mile rule into effect BUT if a child from outside that 20 mile limit that has attended parochial school wants to attend a private high school and there is not one within 20 miles of them, they should be allowed to attend the school of their choice and play sports with no penalty.
    One reason was Sam Harp. He had to go eat and wanted it moved to the top.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RunFirst
    It's easy to be totally, completely, and entirely wrong AND off base when you are being fed half truths and lies by your "leadership".

    BTW - I believe you meant to say cannot. If not, welcome to the light.
    Rereading my post, I believe cannot would have been correct. Many posters on here are taking the position that the votes that were for Prop 20 were wrong. My comment was saying that 195 HS administrators, principals, AD's or something to that effect, that are more than capable of looking at an issue and deciding for themselves, DECIDED to vote FOR Prop 20. I don't think they are totally wrong if so many of them agree that there is an issue here that needs to be addressed.

    As far as the half truths and lies, I don't buy that. This is not an issue that has only been discussed at schools for the past 2 months. It is more like an issue that has been discussed for the past 5-6 years. At my school, we can see for ourselves what is occurring and come to our own conclusion. BTW, for those that want to jump up and down screaming at the monitor and can't wait to type a response. From my understanding, my school voted no on Prop 20.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rambo4343
    People file lawsuits for anything. I think this is a anti-catholic movement. I believe it goes a little more than just athletics.
    Ridiculous comment. Sorry, if I offend you but I feel your anti-catholic comment is just way off base.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rambo4343
    One reason was Sam Harp. He had to go eat and wanted it moved to the top.
    Please tell me you are kidding. If a vote of this magnitude was moved for an asinine reason like that then I have no hope that calmer heads will prevail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ladiesbballcoach
    Ridiculous comment. Sorry, if I offend you but I feel your anti-catholic comment is just way off base.
    I wish I could say that I thought you were correct but while it may not be an overriding reason I do believe that some of the support for Prop 20 comes from anti-Catholic sentiment. I have read to many comments in other forums where the private schools are lumped into the category "The Catholics", and comments like "The Catholics see how serious we are", "The Catholics need to accept their place" etc. have been made to believe that there is no anti-Catholic bigotry involved. I haven't seen it here but it is there if you look. To say otherwise is disingenuous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by All Tell
    I wish I could say that I thought you were correct but while it may not be an overriding reason I do believe that some of the support for Prop 20 comes from anti-Catholic sentiment. I have read to many comments in other forums where the private schools are lumped into the category "The Catholics", and comments like "The Catholics see how serious we are", "The Catholics need to accept their place" etc. have been made to believe that there is no anti-Catholic bigotry involved. I haven't seen it here but it is there if you look. To say otherwise is disingenuous.
    While there may be silly individuals who make such comments cloaked behind an username, I do not believe that plays any part of decision making for the 195 individuals who cast a Yes vote for Prop 20.

    And you just wouldn't let me agree with your post and leave it at that wouldja?

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