Kentucky lawmaker's Viagra bill would require wife's permission

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    Quote Originally Posted by theguru View Post
    Come on RTS, is it 1973?

    Does Bevin have anything better to do?
    Doesn't she? Talk about a waste of time and taxpayer money!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Run To State View Post
    Doesn't she? Talk about a waste of time and taxpayer money!
    I bet you wouldn't feel the same way if we had a newly elected Democratic Governor signing a bill into law making it mandatory that any new gun purchases required the new gun owner to receive counsel from a mental health professional 24 hours before being able to take possession of the new firearm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theguru View Post
    I bet you wouldn't feel the same way if we had a newly elected Democratic Governor signing a bill into law making it mandatory that any new gun purchases required the new gun owner to receive counsel from a mental health professional 24 hours before being able to take possession of the new firearm.
    No one is making a woman see a mental health proffesional. They are being told by the doctor performing the procedure what it all entails. Which does happen in most procedures.

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    The only way this bill and it's protest makes sense if Bevin was proposing a law that said before a woman could continue with an abortion is if they had the father's permission.

    Since that isn't the case the gesture is poorly thought out and a waste of taxpayer time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LIPTON BASH View Post
    No one is making a woman see a mental health proffesional. They are being told by the doctor performing the procedure what it all entails. Which does happen in most procedures.
    Who said anything about a woman seeing a mental health professional? I was making an analogy. But since you brought it up all doctors have a mental health tract in their training and I am sure some of those consults between a woman seeking an abortion and the doctor they have to consult with will at least in some part be a mental health evaluation/discussion/factor. Let's face it, the whole idea behind the legislation is to get the woman to change her mind and not have the abortion. With that being the goal, who would you send in? I think the best answer is a shrink.

    Either way, isn't one of the big issues with gun control keeping guns out of the hands of mentally incompetent people? And just because someone doesn't have a history of mental illness and/or we can't access their records because of HIPPA doesn't mean they are not a few fries short of a happy meal. I think a Democrat could argue this is a great way to keep guns out the hands of the mentally ill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theguru View Post
    Who said anything about a woman seeing a mental health professional? I was making an analogy. But since you brought it up all doctors have a mental health tract in their training and I am sure some of those consults between a woman seeking an abortion and the doctor they have to consult with will at least in some part be a mental health evaluation/discussion/factor. Let's face it, the whole idea behind the legislation is to get the woman to change her mind and not have the abortion. With that being the goal, who would you send in? I think the best answer is a shrink.

    Either way, isn't one of the big issues with gun control keeping guns out of the hands of mentally incompetent people? And just because someone doesn't have a history of mental illness and/or we can't access their records because of HIPPA doesn't mean they are not a few fries short of a happy meal. I think a Democrat could argue this is a great way to keep guns out the hands of the mentally ill.
    So you just took a lot of words to admit you stretched the analogy ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LIPTON BASH View Post
    So you just took a lot of words to admit you stretched the analogy ?
    So you just took a few words to admit your defeat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by theguru View Post
    So you just took a few words to admit your defeat?
    Ha what defeat. The analogy the legislature made and you yourself made were both poor.

    Like I said the fair comparison to this bill would be if a law said the father had to approve an abortion before it took place.

    The comparison you made and the legislature made isn't a real comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LIPTON BASH View Post
    Ha what defeat. The analogy the legislature made and you yourself made were both poor.

    Like I said the fair comparison to this bill would be if a law said the father had to approve an abortion before it took place.

    The comparison you made and the legislature made isn't a real comparison.
    Bevin's anti-abortion law places one more government restriction on a woman's personal liberty.

    My point to RTS is if the "other side" created a new anti-gun law that placed one more government restriction on his second amendment right to bear arms he may look at it different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theguru View Post
    Bevin's anti-abortion law places one more government restriction on a woman's personal liberty.

    My point to RTS is if the "other side" created a new anti-gun law that placed one more government restriction on his second amendment right to bear arms he may look at it different.
    It's not a restriction. A restriction would be allowing a mental health provider to deny the procedure , which is not the case in the law Bevin signed. The left would want the mental health provider to deny gun ownership.

    The law Bevin signed just makes sure the woman has all the information to make an informed decision.

    As a law enforcement officer I would think you would understand the difference between a restriction and guidance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LIPTON BASH View Post
    It's not a restriction. A restriction would be allowing a mental health provider to deny the procedure , which is not the case in the law Bevin signed. The left would want the mental health provider to deny gun ownership.

    The law Bevin signed just makes sure the woman has all the information to make an informed decision.

    As a law enforcement officer I would think you would understand the difference between a restriction and guidance.
    You call it whatever you want, it is another law telling us what we (women in this case) will and will not do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theguru View Post
    You call it whatever you want, it is another law telling us what we (women in this case) will and will not do.
    What is the law actually telling anyone they can't do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LIPTON BASH View Post
    What is the law actually telling anyone they can't do?
    You are being obtuse now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theguru View Post
    You are being obtuse now.
    No I'm not you made a statement. I'm calling you on it. It's obvious what you stated doesn't fit the definition of your point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LIPTON BASH View Post
    What is the law actually telling anyone they can't do?
    Quote Originally Posted by LIPTON BASH View Post
    No I'm not you made a statement. I'm calling you on it. It's obvious what you stated doesn't fit the definition of your point.
    It may be obvious to a moron.

    The law is telling women in KY they legally can't have an abortion unless they meet face to face or by video with a physician at least 24 hours before the abortion.

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