Is the KHSAA ready to impose the "Death Penalty" on Covington Holy Cross?

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    Quote Originally Posted by plantmanky View Post
    Even if it proves other schools are on nothing more than a witch hunt?
    Which is why we have a Falsely Reporting an Incident Statute. In other words, a very strong check and balance to keep one party (school in this case) from falsely accusing another party of wrongdoing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TAC View Post
    I'm guessing since this has gone on for over week the KHSAA is NOT yet ready to impose the death penalty.
    Maybe later, only time will tell.
    Exactly! It is all a BIG secret only we are paying for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theguru View Post
    It absolutely is true, ALL reports are public record. And no we we are not getting into semantics. You want the KHSAA to continue to be secretive, I want them to be transparent because it is our tax dollars at work.
    Nope. Call it as you wish. I just want integrity and fairness along with thoroughness. I realize that's maybe pie-in-the-sky thinking, but that's my opinion.
    Then if guilty, throw the hammer down!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bulldog77 View Post
    Nope. Call it as you wish. I just want integrity and fairness along with thoroughness. I realize that's maybe pie-in-the-sky thinking, but that's my opinion.
    Then if guilty, throw the hammer down!
    You don't get integrity and fairness in life when something is a secret.

    Definitely pie-in-the-sky thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theguru View Post
    You don't get integrity and fairness in life when something is a secret.

    Definitely pie-in-the-sky thinking.
    Dude, I LOVE pie!!! In the sky or otherwise.

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    As to guru's original question...no, I don't think KHSAA would levy the "death penalty" on a school. Big sanctions, yes...death penalty on a school's sports program, no. And I doubt any court would allow it to happen, because we know if the KHSAA brought that ruling down, off to court it would go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bulldog77 View Post
    Dude, I LOVE pie!!! In the sky or otherwise.
    I like Pecan Pie the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theguru View Post
    I like Pecan Pie the best.
    Nuts. Somehow that figures. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigVMan23 View Post
    As to guru's original question...no, I don't think KHSAA would levy the "death penalty" on a school. Big sanctions, yes...death penalty on a school's sports program, no. And I doubt any court would allow it to happen, because we know if the KHSAA brought that ruling down, off to court it would go.
    Courts really don't like getting involved in the KHSAA's business much like they don't like getting involved in other government business.

    However, if any school gets a really harsh punishment handed down I think they definitely should explore court action. Reason being, because of the secretive nature of the process I will almost guarantee a real court action will find a lack of due process and who knows how many other facts that were never revealed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theguru View Post
    Courts really don't like getting involved in the KHSAA's business much like they don't like getting involved in other government business.

    However, if any school gets a really harsh punishment handed down I think they definitely should explore court action. Reason being, because of the secretive nature of the process I will almost guarantee a real court action will find a lack of due process and who knows how many other facts that were never revealed.
    Not only that, but I think it could easily be shown that it could cause irreparable harm to the school which could devastate it financially, and I doubt very seriously that a court would be very pleased with the KHSAA if they found this to be the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigVMan23 View Post
    Not only that, but I think it could easily be shown that it could cause irreparable harm to the school which could devastate it financially, and I doubt very seriously that a court would be very pleased with the KHSAA if they found this to be the case.
    In other words the KHSAA better have their ducks in a row, their i's dotted, and their t's crossed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theguru View Post
    It absolutely is true, ALL reports are public record. And no we we are not getting into semantics. You want the KHSAA to continue to be secretive, I want them to be transparent because it is our tax dollars at work.
    All reports are available when the investigation into the crime is over. When an agency investigates a murder or money laundering or drug trafficking you will not know what all is being done until it is over. Yes the findings should be public by the khsaa as are the findings by the law. But it to be public knowledge as to what's going on while it's happening could have adverse effects on the investigation!

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    Quote Originally Posted by #99 View Post
    All reports are available when the investigation into the crime is over. When an agency investigates a murder or money laundering or drug trafficking you will not know what all is being done until it is over. Yes the findings should be public by the khsaa as are the findings by the law. But it to be public knowledge as to what's going on while it's happening could have adverse effects on the investigation!
    Did you take the time to read all my posts on this topic or did you take just one of them out of context and post the above?

    From Post 517:

    And as a former law enforcement officer I know that anytime law enforcement investigates something there is an official report that is at least in part subject to open records.

    Post 521:

    In law enforcement, reports are normally available within 2 to 3 working days of the report being received. The report (in other words the basics) are public record immediately, I am saying KHSAA investigations should be the same way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theguru View Post
    I agree. The KHSAA should be mandated to release findings on all investigations.

    We should know every school that is (or has been) being investigated, what the allegations are, and what the findings are good or bad.
    Everything except" being investigated"

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    The basics would be Schools A, B, and C allege the following KHSAA violations against School D. That should be public immediately.

    Then the KHSAA should do their investigation. No (or very little) information should be released by the KHSAA while they are doing the investigation.

    Upon completion of the investigation the KHSAA should release their detailed findings on each individual allegation and whether it was substantiated or not.

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