Is Prop 20 just a Big Bluff ????...........

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    Is Prop 20 just a Big Bluff ????...........

    The more I analyze the poorly written and lacking in detail Prop 20 the more I believe it is a big bluff to get the other "level the playing field" proposals passed.

    It seems to me that more thought went into the other proposals and that Prop 20 is sitting there like the 500 pound gorilla in the corner.

    "Take care of these other proposals and we can have the gorilla will stay in the corner."

    Surely the sponsors know the consequences, back-lash, expense, and legal wranglings that Prop 20 would bring .......and I believe it is just a big bluff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by All Play No Work
    The more I analyze the poorly written and lacking in detail Prop 20 the more I believe it is a big bluff to get the other "level the playing field" proposals passed.

    It seems to me that more thought went into the other proposals and that Prop 20 is sitting there like the 500 pound gorilla in the corner.

    "Take care of these other proposals and we can have the gorilla will stay in the corner."

    Surely the sponsors know the consequences, back-lash, expense, and legal wranglings that Prop 20 would bring .......and I believe it is just a big bluff.

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    I don't think it is a bluff. It may be poorly written ill considered, lacking in detail and in general just a bad idea, but I think they are serious. Some of the other proposals (10) are also really bad.

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    I was thinking the same thing APNW. Shoot for the moon with the goal being to knock out a couple of satellites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theguru
    I was thinking the same thing APNW. Shoot for the moon with the goal being to knock out a couple of satellites.
    What would those satellites be?

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    The 20 mile rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theguru
    The 20 mile rule.
    How many schools are impacted by that one? HHS isn't. CCH isn't.

    Do T and X or LexCath get many athletes from outside of 20 miles?

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    I agree, this could backfire on the people crying.

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    A twenty mile rule wouldn't affect a lot of kids, but it would affect some. I'd have to draw a circle on a map to get a better idea. None of this makes much sense to me. If a family wants to commute 75 miles, why isn't that their decision?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinity alum
    I don't think it is a bluff. It may be poorly written ill considered, lacking in detail and in general just a bad idea, but I think they are serious. Some of the other proposals (10) are also really bad.
    Explain your reason why you think 10 is really bad. I agree that 20 is just stupid and I hope it is a bluff. But I am not so sure I don't agree with 10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodsrider
    Explain your reason why you think 10 is really bad. I agree that 20 is just stupid and I hope it is a bluff. But I am not so sure I don't agree with 10.
    Prop 10 has a couple of provisions. One limits financial aid to 75 percent. That doesn't have a lot of practical effect, but there is no logical difference between 75 percent, 10 percent or 1 percent. The only state regulatory issue is whether student athletes are treated the same as non athletes. If they are, then there should not be any state issue. A second provision says that a student athlete is ineligible if they receive merit based financial aid if they did not graduate from a designated feeder school. As an example, Trinity awards a number of scholarships based on the results of the placement test. I believe that the awards are based on placing in the 98th or 99th percentile. Under this rule, a kid that attended a "non feeder" school could not accept that award and still play sports. Why? The award is based on completely objective criteria and athletic ability isn't part of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinity alum
    Prop 10 has a couple of provisions. One limits financial aid to 75 percent. That doesn't have a lot of practical effect, but there is no logical difference between 75 percent, 10 percent or 1 percent. The only state regulatory issue is whether student athletes are treated the same as non athletes. If they are, then there should not be any state issue. A second provision says that a student athlete is ineligible if they receive merit based financial aid if they did not graduate from a designated feeder school. As an example, Trinity awards a number of scholarships based on the results of the placement test. I believe that the awards are based on placing in the 98th or 99th percentile. Under this rule, a kid that attended a "non feeder" school could not accept that award and still play sports. Why? The award is based on completely objective criteria and athletic ability isn't part of it.
    Also what is to stop Trinity and diocese from declaring all schools as Feeder schools? Surely the KHSAA cannot tell a private high school what schools should feed it?

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    Question:

    Do the Proposals get voted on in numerical order?

    If so, would the results of the other 19 proposals be known before voting on #20 or do they vote on all 20 at once and then count them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinity alum
    Prop 10 has a couple of provisions. One limits financial aid to 75 percent. That doesn't have a lot of practical effect, but there is no logical difference between 75 percent, 10 percent or 1 percent. The only state regulatory issue is whether student athletes are treated the same as non athletes. If they are, then there should not be any state issue. A second provision says that a student athlete is ineligible if they receive merit based financial aid if they did not graduate from a designated feeder school. As an example, Trinity awards a number of scholarships based on the results of the placement test. I believe that the awards are based on placing in the 98th or 99th percentile. Under this rule, a kid that attended a "non feeder" school could not accept that award and still play sports. Why? The award is based on completely objective criteria and athletic ability isn't part of it.
    What about a kid that receives aid but isn't in that 98th or 99th percentile. How many kids would you say play football for Trinity and receive aid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodsrider
    What about a kid that receives aid but isn't in that 98th or 99th percentile. How many kids would you say play football for Trinity and receive aid?
    Since about 40 percent of Trinity students receive financial aid I would say quite a few. And every one of them received that aid on the same basis as every other student. The reason I didn't include the need based aid is because Prop 10 doesn't address need based aid.

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    Without the 20 mile rule, could Male or Manual even get all of their kids? I think the out of state part will pass, although there are alumni in Southern Indiana who I am sure send their sons to X or T.

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