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    Quote Originally Posted by theguru
    But the tuition does.
    That's a couple of thousand dollars. Not too many people can afford that in a lot of areas, especially when it costs nothing to attend the district in which you live.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theguru
    What specific competitive advantage are you speaking about?

    There's a specific difference in allowing students outside your district to attend and having the ability to recruit region wide.

    Here's an example, when a kid transfers to Corbin (and it happens), everyone yells recruiting and there's a major investigation. A kid transfers to Lex Cath, Trinity, or X and everyone knows it recruiting but it's okay, because that's what private schools have to do to survive. I'm not complaining about the situation, but that's where one componenent of a competitive advantage comes in.

    Also in an age when most schools are struggling for money to field teams, private schools seem to have a much deeper financial well to draw from.

    I think that private schools are great. They offer outstanding educational, athletic and lifelong social opportunities. I wish there was a Lex Cath or X in my area. I would send my kids. BUT only the blind, or those not willing to see, would argue that private schools don't have a competitive advantage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fastbreak
    I've had the good fortune to be on the floor at Freedom Hall, many years ago as a player, and more recently on the floor of McBrayer Arena at EKU for the All A State Championship, and in Rupp Arena for the Sweet 16.

    In all fairness, there's nothing I've experienced that approaches the atmosphere of Rupp Arena for a high school state tourney. It is one of the finest venues in the nation.

    Even so, the All A at McBrayer Arena approaches the atmosphere and excitement of the Sweet 16 at Freedom Hall years ago.

    I accept that it is not a "sanctioned" state tournament per se, but it is as big as it gets for many small schools, both public and private. It is taking on an excitement all its own.

    IMO, the KHSAA stands to lose a great deal of revenue, and the monopoly they currently have in high school sports if they choose to separate public and private schools. If they were to do this, there would be very little to prevent the private schools from forming their own governing body totally independent of the KHSAA. Thus, all membership fees, broadcast rights, equipment contracts, tournament revenues, etc. from private schools would remain with private schools.

    Even with all the pressure and desperation from the public schools, I can't imagine how the KHSAA would ever be so short sighted.

    The Louisville Area already has the CSAA, which governs the grade school sports. I wonder what leap it would be to add High School sports, and make it a statewide governing body?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MexicanBob
    There's a specific difference in allowing students outside your district to attend and having the ability to recruit region wide.

    Here's an example, when a kid transfers to Corbin (and it happens), everyone yells recruiting and there's a major investigation. A kid transfers to Lex Cath, Trinity, or X and everyone knows it recruiting but it's okay, because that's what private schools have to do to survive. I'm not complaining about the situation, but that's where one componenent of a competitive advantage comes in.
    I’d like to know how the schools you reference escape scrutiny… every single athlete at the one private school with which I am most closely involved undergoes a microscopic exam. Nothing remotely suspicious is permitted. Recruiting is absolutely out of the question.

    It is amazing however, how a winning program has the ability to attract quality student/athletes.

    Quote Originally Posted by MexicanBob
    Also in an age when most schools are struggling for money to field teams, private schools seem to have a much deeper financial well to draw from.
    No offense intended here, but I’d like to know where this "well" you reference is located. With the possible exception of one or two of the larger private schools who’ve been scraping away for decades to establish a stable foundation of private funding, every other private school in the state sweats and strains to meet basic budget requirements. There’s no way you can substantiate that publicly funded schools are at a disadvantage financially in relation to private schools. This is the myth, and it may indeed be your opinion, but on average it is quite the opposite, by a factor of ten.

    Quote Originally Posted by MexicanBob
    I think that private schools are great. They offer outstanding educational, athletic and lifelong social opportunities. I wish there was a Lex Cath or X in my area. I would send my kids. BUT only the blind, or those not willing to see, would argue that private schools don't have a competitive advantage.
    Again, no offense intended, but your opinion is typical of someone who has never faced the overwhelming burden of raising funds to support academic and athletic budget needs without the guaranteed option of public tax dollars. In this sense, it is a bit ironic that someone whose only actual experience and sphere of knowledge comes from the public school side, would refer to anyone that has actual knowledge of both public and private funding issues “blind”.

    I’m certain you can see the irony of your one-sided statement here can’t you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockmom
    The Louisville Area already has the CSAA, which governs the grade school sports. I wonder what leap it would be to add High School sports, and make it a statewide governing body?
    Other than a clear need to broaden the organization's scope to be inclusive of non-Catholic schools, there's no reason that your suggestion would not work. In fact, the CSAA could serve as a ready made organizational base for a larger statewide association.

    Things might be a bit rocky the first year or two, but the end result under this scenario would be far less painful for private schools than it would be for the KHSAA.

    In this situation, the KHSAA would have no say whatsoever in the affairs of private schools. The financial benefits of dictating their own destinies would far outweigh any potential benefits currently available from the KHSAA.

    Privates would no longer have to worry about jumping through hoops to appease a bunch of whining public school superintendents, coaches and boosters, and could make welcome any student athlete that wants to play for them.

    This is a Pandora’s box the KHSAA really does not want to open.

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    I’m not a huge proponent of Mahatma Gandhi, but I think his quote sums up the private side of the debate nicely,

    “First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”


    Sounds like we’ve reached phase three…

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    Quote Originally Posted by MexicanBob
    There's a specific difference in allowing students outside your district to attend and having the ability to recruit region wide.
    We have no districts here.

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    Mex,

    We just see things different. I appreciate you keeping the debate civil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fastbreak
    I’m not a huge proponent of Mahatma Gandhi, but I think his quote sums up the private side of the debate nicely,

    “First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”


    Sounds like we’ve reached phase three…
    Sounds like it's working the other way around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KyTmcNcc
    Ive got an idea that will solve the percieved problem in Ky high school sports.Lets consolidate some of the rural counties into bigger ones. Ky has too many counties for the size of the Commonwealth anyway . By doing this the schools effected can draw from a bigger player base . Oh and we will eliminate some politicians and administrators along the way. Thats always a good thing .
    Let's go back to the original three counties: Lincoln, Jefferson and Fayette.

    It will be quite a commute from Mayfield to attend LCHS in Stanford, but I think the annual state championship will be worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theguru
    You can't self impose restrictions on your own school district and then complain that others won't do the same. The practice is not only stupid but it is un-american.
    That is classic! Great quote, Guru.

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    Finally someone is listening.

    Thanks Mr.N!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 02Ram54
    Sounds like it's working the other way around.


    It does doesn't it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 02Ram54
    Sounds like it's working the other way around.

    02Ram, the fight isn't over, even if these proposals pass. Even if the proposals do pass, do you REALLY think it will spell the demise of ALL the private schools? I'm not "in with the in crowd", but I highly doubt the private schools are just sitting around waiting to see what happens before they put their heads together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theguru
    Mex,

    We just see things different. I appreciate you keeping the debate civil.

    I can appreciate an opposing view to mine. Everybody looks at things differently. The only thing that bothers me, is that some (not you) on this board thinks that theirs is the ONLY point of view. I'd say that both sides are a little right and a little wrong.

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