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    Quote Originally Posted by lawildcat View Post
    Butler Co. Ohio sheriff Richard Jones says his officers do not and will not carry narcan.
    Should EMT's stop carrying defibrillators to use on the obese folks having heart attacks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonels_Wear_Blue View Post
    Should EMT's stop carrying defibrillators to use on the obese folks having heart attacks?
    Nobody said EMS should stop doing anything.

    The sheriff is making a valid point. Often, the dose of Narcan given is not enough to completely bring a person around or it is just enough to make them combative. Unless EMS is on the scene to deliver more Narcan or give other life saving measures, such as intubation or IV's and other IV meds, it puts the deputies in a bad situation. Many addicts that are given Narcan do become combative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonels_Wear_Blue View Post
    Should EMT's stop carrying defibrillators to use on the obese folks having heart attacks?
    It's not a police officer's primary job to assist people with medical issues. They don't carry epipens either.

    I've got no problem with this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonels_Wear_Blue View Post
    Should EMT's stop carrying defibrillators to use on the obese folks having heart attacks?
    I agree, the police should not carry defibrillators either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonels_Wear_Blue View Post
    McCracken is the only county in WKY showing up. We've only recently started seeing heroin down here (last 6-12 months). I knew it'd show up eventually but we're seeing it more and more recently. Meth had been the drug of choice and fairly common for as long as I can recall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 00Rocket28 View Post
    McCracken is the only county in WKY showing up. We've only recently started seeing heroin down here (last 6-12 months). I knew it'd show up eventually but we're seeing it more and more recently. Meth had been the drug of choice and fairly common for as long as I can recall.
    Heroin is still at the forefront here in NKY but meth is making a comeback as is cocaine. Also some crafty folks in Cincinnati have started making heroin pills.

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    They dont get charged for the narcan, they dont get charged with a crime. Why not just make narcan over the counter so these people can revive themselfs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plantmanky View Post
    They dont get charged for the narcan, they dont get charged with a crime. Why not just make narcan over the counter so these people can revive themselfs.
    Narcan is made available free to users and their families. I was trained at the health department and overheard a lady telling the person registering us that she was getting her instruction and supply because her son was a user and she wanted it close by. I've also heard anecdotal accounts of users having their own Narcan and letting people know they had it in case it was needed. But Epi-pens are still very expensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by All Tell View Post
    Narcan is made available free to users and their families. I was trained at the health department and overheard a lady telling the person registering us that she was getting her instruction and supply because her son was a user and she wanted it close by. I've also heard anecdotal accounts of users having their own Narcan and letting people know they had it in case it was needed. But Epi-pens are still very expensive.
    Therein lies the stupidity in all of this.

    Addicts chose to us but get an antidote free. Those with severe allergies have no choice in the matter but must pay hundreds of dollars for a life saving medication.

    Things are kinda backwards IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by capt278 View Post
    Therein lies the stupidity in all of this.

    Addicts chose to us but get an antidote free. Those with severe allergies have no choice in the matter but must pay hundreds of dollars for a life saving medication.

    Things are kinda backwards IMHO.
    Thats what the government wants so they can keep the "war on drugs" going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by All Tell View Post
    Narcan is made available free to users and their families. I was trained at the health department and overheard a lady telling the person registering us that she was getting her instruction and supply because her son was a user and she wanted it close by. I've also heard anecdotal accounts of users having their own Narcan and letting people know they had it in case it was needed. But Epi-pens are still very expensive.

    I thought you weren't a fan of the government interfering in health care. Do you want the government dictating the cost of EpiPens?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PepRock01 View Post
    I thought you weren't a fan of the government interfering in health care. Do you want the government dictating the cost of EpiPens?
    Nope. Make them free, like Narcan to addicts who have chose to ruin their lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by capt278 View Post
    Nope. Make them free, like Narcan to addicts who have chose to ruin their lives.
    So socialize EpiPens? I just want to make sure we are clear on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PepRock01 View Post
    So socialize EpiPens? I just want to make sure we are clear on this.
    I would rather see the government spend it on epi pens than and give it to those with severe allergies than narcan on addicts who have chosen their path.

    Don't try to pigeon hole me or put words in my mouth, please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PepRock01 View Post
    I thought you weren't a fan of the government interfering in health care. Do you want the government dictating the cost of EpiPens?
    Eppins were affordable a few years ago. The exclusivity granted to the company that owns the rights to them as well as the snails pace of the FDA on approving a generic alternative is why they are so expensive. Government interference is why they are so expensive so you're right, I'm not a fan of their influence on the price.

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