Hate crime or just boredom?

**True blue (and gold)** · Aug 16, 12, 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by Lawnboy13

And what, get their food stamps, WIC, & HUD. 5 will get you 10 dad is in the county lock up.

What evidence do you have that their families are on government assistance?

**5wide** · Aug 17, 12, 08:05 AM

A crime is a crime.

If someone murders another person, it doesn't matter to me what motivated them to do it. Murder is a crime. End of story. Why does there need to be additional legislation depending on the supposed motivation?

Does it change anyone's view of the act? Does it make you feel a little better about this random beatdown that it was just a case of boredom, or would you feel a little better if they were racists?

In America, it seems we believe that we can legislate away everything we don't like. This statement applies to much more than just this example.

Again, if we simply enforced and upheld the laws that are/were already in place to protect our citizens, there should be no need for these additions.

**halfback20** · Aug 17, 12, 08:10 AM

Originally Posted by 5wide

A crime is a crime.

If someone murders another person, it doesn't matter to me what motivated them to do it. Murder is a crime. End of story. Why does there need to be additional legislation depending on the supposed motivation?

Does it change anyone's view of the act? Does it make you feel a little better about this random beatdown that it was just a case of boredom, or would you feel a little better if they were racists?

In America, it seems we believe that we can legislate away everything we don't like. This statement applies to much more than just this example.

Again, if we simply enforced and upheld the laws that are/were already in place to protect our citizens, there should be no need for these additions.

Is there no difference in murder and terrorism?

**5wide** · Aug 17, 12, 05:26 PM

A crime is a crime. I'm sure they're all unique and different in some way. It doesn't require an additional piece of legislation. Punish them for the crime. A judge and jury can hear the details (like what motivated the act) and determine a proper punishment. Hate crime laws are unnecessary when enforcing the laws we already have would suffice.

What if Timothy McVeigh had just been bored? Should his punishment have been different? Or, had he blown up the building because he hated black people and one worked there, should it have been different?

**Lawnboy13** · Aug 18, 12, 12:50 AM

Originally Posted by True blue (and gold)

What evidence do you have that their families are on government assistance?

Zero, I'm profiling based on race, area in which crime took place, & the fact that not one father was mentioned in any of the news stories.

Is my methodology wrong????? Could I be wrong? Sure and I will be more than happy to apologize for my statement. However, when was the last time time a group of black youths raised by both a mom and dad in the same home acted in such a way?

**PurplePride92** · Aug 18, 12, 06:42 AM

Originally Posted by Lawnboy13

Zero, I'm profiling based on race, area in which crime took place, & the fact that not one father was mentioned in any of the news stories.

Is my methodology wrong????? Could I be wrong? Sure and I will be more than happy to apologize for my statement. However, when was the last time time a group of black youths raised by both a mom and dad in the same home acted in such a way?

Couldn't be more false. According to your logic it shouldn't be safe for anyone to go outside because there is a very significant number of black youths raised in single parent homes. Don't let the stupid actions of a few characterize us all. It's not fair to the rest of us.

**Lawnboy13** · Aug 18, 12, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by PurplePride92

Couldn't be more false. According to your logic it shouldn't be safe for anyone to go outside because there is a very significant number of black youths raised in single parent homes. Don't let the stupid actions of a few characterize us all. It's not fair to the rest of us.

In some cases, YES. If you heard what some of the folks who live in this neighborhood are saying.....they ARE afraid to go outside. Doesn't matter, Black or White, when you are raised by the streets nothing good will come of the situation.

I am in no way characterizing all because you are right, it wouldn't be fair.

**mountain ref** · Aug 18, 12, 11:28 AM

I'm bored, does anyone want to go with me to beat up someone, it's ok, the law doesn't apply to boredom crimes.

**PurplePride92** · Aug 18, 12, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by mountain ref

I'm bored, does anyone want to go with me to beat up someone, it's ok, the law doesn't apply to boredom crimes.

You're an adult so you wouldn't get off as easy.

**marvel** · Aug 18, 12, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by PurplePride92

You are new to BGP so you may not have seen me say it on here before but until we can all stop looking at race as a reason or a cause for behavior then we'll never advance as a united country.

What these boys did was stupid and inexcusable but they said all the right things to the cops for this to not be seen as a hate crime. Just because six black kids beat up a white guy doesn't make it a hate crime. In situations of actual hate crimes that pit a white person perpetrating a hate crime on a black person there is always evidence that the crime was racially motivated. That evidence doesn't exist in this situation.

Getslow brought it home for everybody. I hope you take note.

Looks like mountainref may have a skating partner.

The whole notion of hate crime legislation is ridiculous. It perpetuates racism and as long as laws like this exists, we are not going to advance as you would like. How can you expect to get rid of racism if our laws separate people based on race?

**Getslow** · Aug 18, 12, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by mountain ref

I'm bored, does anyone want to go with me to beat up someone, it's ok, the law doesn't apply to boredom crimes.

Did they drop the charges? I hadn't heard.

**mountain ref** · Aug 18, 12, 11:28 PM

Originally Posted by PurplePride92

You're an adult so you wouldn't get off as easy.

I'll claim insanity and say the economy made me do it.

**PurplePride92** · Aug 18, 12, 11:34 PM

Originally Posted by marvel

The whole notion of hate crime legislation is ridiculous. It perpetuates racism and as long as laws like this exists, we are not going to advance as you would like. How can you expect to get rid of racism if our laws separate people based on race?

Why are you quoting me? I said it's not a hate crime.

**Bluegrasscard** · Aug 19, 12, 10:18 AM

I have to go with the desire to not worry if a crime was motivated by 'hate' or not. The 'hate' logo allowed the Federal government to get involved with crimes that were never federal jurisdiction. Now they are. Unfortunately, I am sure in some states (mostly southern) crimes that should be prosecuted under normal state law are not due to lets say 'historical factors'. I guess this gives the Federal government a way to oversee these circumstances. But if the states and local law and judicial functions do the right things there is no real need for most 'hate' crime legislation.