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Page 3 of Originally Posted by gametime The point is, they would become the T and X. In Male's case, I would be inclined to agree to a certain extent. But, as wo... 69 comments | 5135 Views | Go to page 1 →

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    Quote Originally Posted by gametime
    More like Male and Manual would own 4A, and in 5 Years we'd be looking for ways to kick out magnet schools...
    Didn't Male and Manual get beat by non Louisville schools in the playoffs last year?

    I would agree with you on Male becoming the power but Manual has shown nothing in the playoffs to suggest they are in any league above the non Louisville schools.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ladiesbballcoach
    Again, back a few years back whenever it was that they decided on class football, did they water down the state championships and Highlands, Danville, etc, state championships hollow?
    Classification in football in Kentucky has been around for around 50 years. Are there any states which don't have classification levels for football and have just one state champion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ladiesbballcoach
    This is not my words, so don't :flame: get me too bad. But the argument I have heard to what you are saying, is you CHOSE to take your children out of the public school system and that should include the athletic system that the public schools are using.
    It isn't the Kentucky PUBLIC High School Athletic Association. When is it going to sink in that our kids are every bit as much entitled to participation as much as anyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinity alum
    It isn't the Kentucky PUBLIC High School Athletic Association. When is it going to sink in that our kids are every bit as much entitled to participation as much as anyone else.
    I think the argument is being made that it should be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodsrider
    Didn't Male and Manual get beat by non Louisville schools in the playoffs last year?

    I would agree with you on Male becoming the power but Manual has shown nothing in the playoffs to suggest they are in any league above the non Louisville schools.
    The point is, they would become the T and X. The Louisville kids that valued a State Championship (face it, SOME of the kids at T and X are not there because of life long tradition) would go to the magnet schools instead of the privates IMO. I guess it would depend on how T and X would turn the recruiting spicket on, really though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ladiesbballcoach
    So you want to penalize a student for the schools providing him/her, maybe the only, meal they will receive that day. And please don't tell me that I am exaggerating with "the only." I have students that the breakfast they eat in my class and the lunch that we serve is their only 2 meals of the day.
    You underestimate me if you think I would ever want to deprive any kid of a meal or penalize them for that. I was just pointing out that 'financial aid' is a very generic term which exists in public as well as private schools. Nothing more, ... nothing less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ladiesbballcoach
    Okay. I am just trying to be clear that when you say that separating out teams by some means makes the victories hollow and meaningless, you are not including the separation out by size.

    So you are okay with separation by school size but not other measures. Is that correct?
    Yes. I don't like the differential in size between the biggest 4A and smallest, but I have no better alternative. Any other way and it would be too watered down IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nljagsfan
    You underestimate me if you think I would ever want to deprive any kid of a meal or penalize them for that. I was just pointing out that 'financial aid' is a very generic term which exists in public as well as private schools. Nothing more, ... nothing less.
    There is a big difference. Free/Reduced lunch is not tied to attendance in that school. You can attend and not have it. If you do not pay or have your tuition paid for you, can you attend a private school.

    I called our director of this program and asked. 100% of this money is from the state government. No money from the local schools that the child is attending is used to encourage attendance in that school. The local schools do not receive funds to distribute. The local schools purchase the lunch/breakfast and is reimbursed by the state for those meals.

    I do not see that as a financial aid tied to/encouraging the student to attend our school.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Schue
    This argument is not about Highlands, Beechwood, Danville, etc. It never has been.

    It is about how some people who support 4A schools (usually 4A schools in NoKy) complain about the fact that Trinity and St. X dominate. They want a state championship, but would rather focus their energies on complaining rather than improving.
    So it's a 4A NKY problem? Thanks for clearing that up for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ladiesbballcoach
    So you want to penalize a student for the schools providing him/her, maybe the only, meal they will receive that day. And please don't tell me that I am exaggerating with "the only." I have students that the breakfast they eat in my class and the lunch that we serve is their only 2 meals of the day.
    No I don't want to penalize those kids BUT the proponents of eliminating the private schools do want to penalize the kids in private schools and since finincial aid appears to be the determining factor they are in effect punishing the private schools for trying to be inclusive to everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gametime
    The point is, they would become the T and X.
    In Male's case, I would be inclined to agree to a certain extent. But, as woodsrider said, Manual has shown little in recent years to earn a similar designation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ladiesbballcoach
    So you want to penalize a student for the schools providing him/her, maybe the only, meal they will receive that day. And please don't tell me that I am exaggerating with "the only." I have students that the breakfast they eat in my class and the lunch that we serve is their only 2 meals of the day.
    I absolutely agree with you. There is no way that the kid that gets their main meals of the day at school should be told that they can't play sports. And there is also no way that a kid whose parents can't afford the full tuition at Trinity should be told that either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by westsider
    In Male's case, I would be inclined to agree to a certain extent. But, as woodsrider said, Manual has shown little in recent years to earn that distinction.
    In the playoffs alone I agree, but beating all of the Big III in the last 5 Years has been done by who else???

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    Quote Originally Posted by All Tell
    No I don't want to penalize those kids BUT the proponents of eliminating the private schools do want to penalize the kids in private schools and since finincial aid appears to be the determining factor they are in effect punishing the private schools for trying to be inclusive to everyone.
    please see post #38

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trinity alum
    I absolutely agree with you. There is no way that the kid that gets their main meals of the day at school should be told that they can't play sports. And there is also no way that a kid whose parents can't afford the full tuition at Trinity should be told that either.
    Difference is the kid attending Trinity had a choice for an education and chose a different route. The kid (not focused on the parent because those of us in the public schools cannot change the parent no matter how hard we try or want to) has no other choice for meals. If it was the kid who is attending Trinity only shot at an education, I would agree with you. But it is not.

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