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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatz View Post
    Actually my experience comes from two places and two different years.

    1990 Football Playoffs as Danville visited Corbin. First hand knowledge.

    A guy I knew at EKU that played for Somerset in the late 70's and early 80's. He told me of a racially charged atmosphere at the Stadium during a game he played in.
    The 1990 incident happened. There were a couple of guys who hung a sign up, believe it was close to KFC on the road that leads to the stadium, that said something that was racially offensive. There is a funny story that I will PM to you about one of the rednecks who did that.

    The other incident I have no idea about, although I have never seen an incident such as that at any game that I attended.

    One of the problems is when you get a reputation such as this, people who are bigots feel emboldened to spew their garbage publicly that they may otherwise keep to themselves or at least to their inner circle. The people in the community need to do more to let people with these types of beliefs know that it's not going to be tolerated. We tend to shake our heads and go on hoping no one will notice them, which obviously is not working that well.
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    Trent Knuckles writes a column in the News Journal each week. The News Journal is a weekly paper with a circulation of over 8,400. It serves the counties of Whitley, Knox, and Laurel.

    Here are a few points that Mr. Knuckles made in his column about the recent controversy.

    * "Had Knox central won last Friday's game, I doubt there would have been an uproar. "

    * Anyone not directly ON the court during the game could not have heard much. I was right there for some of the second half and couldn't hear any conversation between players. So I'm dubious of some of the claims I've been reading, particularly from folks who I know were in the stands surrounded by other screaming fans."

    * If Andrew taylor had a year of eligibility left, and he said he was transferring to Knox central for his senior season; he'd be welcomed by Panthe fans with hugs and big sloppy wet kisses, despite what they are saying now."

    * Many assumptions are being made about "the video," but it's only a small part of an obviously longer conversation. Without that context, it is impossible to do anything but speculate about its meaning. "

    * "Taylor himself has apologized and said the video was taken out of context. Doesn't he deserve the benefit of the doubt? I think we'd ALL want that for ourselves and our children."

    * "In both of the games between the two teams this year, Taylor was on the receiving end of two hard fouls that were not basketball plays at all, but rather outbursts of aggressiveness that had no legitimate purpose. The second time, a technical foul was called and Corbin received two shots and possession of the ball. Only in the ridiculous logic of modern times would those physical incidents be considered less serious than a few recorded words that offended some sensibilities."

    * "ALL of us have said things in our lives that, if recorded and put out for the world to hear, could make us look like horrible people. So why don't we drop some of the sanctimony and get real. Glass houses. Rocks. You know the drill."

    * Social media is a foul rot on our society. This is another example of why that it true."

    Which of Mr. Knuckles points do you disagree with?


    The only one of the points which I will comment on right now is the one concerning people who claimed to have heard conversations that went on between players on the court. If I had been any closer to the floor, I would have been one of the referees. I was close. Let me say without any equivocation, anyone who said they heard racial slurs being made on the court are bold-face liars!!! Yes, I'm talking to about the KC teacher who was on WLEX-TV claiming that she heard the N-word. That woman gives teachers a bad name. She's just flat-out lying. No one could have possibly heard anything that might have been said from one player to another. Even if she had been wearing one of those "miracle ears" from TV , she couldn't have heard on-court conversations. The KC teacher was simply repeating what a couple of Panther players said and those two have zero credibility.

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    A question for those who played HS sports... Does racially charged chatter go on during games and, if so, do the refs let it go on? This is one of several of what I consider outrageous claims that is being made about the game last Friday. Is it common for trash talk to turn racial? Do refs pretty much ignore trash talking and just consider it part of the game? Just curious...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Science Friction View Post
    A question for those who played HS sports... Does racially charged chatter go on during games and, if so, do the refs let it go on? This is one of several of what I consider outrageous claims that is being made about the game last Friday. Is it common for trash talk to turn racial? Do refs pretty much ignore trash talking and just consider it part of the game? Just curious...
    It did back in my day, but things were different then too. (it went both ways)

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    Quote Originally Posted by plantmanky View Post
    It did back in my day, but things were different then too. (it went both ways)

    Thank you. I just assumed that stuff was a no-no and wouldn't be tolerated. I, of all people, should have known better. From Ferguson, MO to Corbin, KY , people have the same prejudices everywhere. Sadly but truly, we are all racists, in varying degrees, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Science Friction View Post
    A question for those who played HS sports... Does racially charged chatter go on during games and, if so, do the refs let it go on? This is one of several of what I consider outrageous claims that is being made about the game last Friday. Is it common for trash talk to turn racial? Do refs pretty much ignore trash talking and just consider it part of the game? Just curious...
    It went on when I played back in 2006-2010, most if not all of the racist remarks came from opposing players. If a ref heard it I would think they would say something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Science Friction View Post
    A question for those who played HS sports... Does racially charged chatter go on during games and, if so, do the refs let it go on? This is one of several of what I consider outrageous claims that is being made about the game last Friday. Is it common for trash talk to turn racial? Do refs pretty much ignore trash talking and just consider it part of the game? Just curious...
    Racially charged chatter goes on during the games all of the time these days. I know of multiple incidents that have happened on the football field and the hardwood and I still want to know why a student section would chant “Danville reject” to a black kid from Boyle County who has never once attended any Danville schools in his life.

    Refs can’t see or hear everything and this thread is proof as to what happens when someone gets called out for being racist. It will get defended or discounted. For me the worst part about racism now is that you can have a white person look dead into a video camera that they themselves are filming and they can shout the n word over and over and over and there will still be people who defend that person or say it was taken out of context.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurplePride92 View Post
    Racially charged chatter goes on during the games all of the time these days. I know of multiple incidents that have happened on the football field and the hardwood and I still want to know why a student section would chant “Danville reject” to a black kid from Boyle County who has never once attended any Danville schools in his life.

    Refs can’t see or hear everything and this thread is proof as to what happens when someone gets called out for being racist. It will get defended or discounted. For me the worst part about racism now is that you can have a white person look dead into a video camera that they themselves are filming and they can shout the n word over and over and over and there will still be people who defend that person or say it was taken out of context.
    I just assumed that referees wouldn't allow this kind of stuff to go on but apparently it does from what I'm hearing. Disappointing.

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    From Trevor Sherman of the Times-Tribune:

    ... "Does that mean his[Taylor] "monkey" comment didn't include racial undertones? No. It could have, but it also could have meant something totally different. Maybe it's just because I'm not a racist, and I don't immediately associate the word "monkey" with African-Americans, but when I heard the comment I thought maybe he's talking about getting the monkey off his back after having lost to Knox central last month in the championship of the Cumberland falls Invitational Tournament. Is that possible, or am I just totally stupid and naïve? "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Science Friction View Post
    A question for those who played HS sports... Does racially charged chatter go on during games and, if so, do the refs let it go on? This is one of several of what I consider outrageous claims that is being made about the game last Friday. Is it common for trash talk to turn racial? Do refs pretty much ignore trash talking and just consider it part of the game? Just curious...
    It went on when I played in the mid to late 80's, and it goes on now. I hear stuff even at the middle school level. If refs hear it, they'll try to control it, but refs can't see and hear everything all the time.

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    If it is common as I'm hearing it is, should we really be surprised that a kid says "monkey" on a snapchat video? Apparently it is acceptable for white and black kids alike to use racially charged language on the court. Seems as though everyone knows it goes on, even referees, and yet it is allowed. Sounds like the Corbin kid was just saying the kinds of things that a lot of kids say on the court during games. If kids have been allowed to say these things for decades, why is this even a story?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Science Friction View Post
    From Trevor Sherman of the Times-Tribune:

    ... "Does that mean his[Taylor] "monkey" comment didn't include racial undertones? No. It could have, but it also could have meant something totally different. Maybe it's just because I'm not a racist, and I don't immediately associate the word "monkey" with African-Americans, but when I heard the comment I thought maybe he's talking about getting the monkey off his back after having lost to Knox central last month in the championship of the Cumberland falls Invitational Tournament. Is that possible, or am I just totally stupid and naïve? "
    I would use the word naive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Science Friction View Post
    If it is common as I'm hearing it is, should we really be surprised that a kid says "monkey" on a snapchat video? Apparently it is acceptable for white and black kids alike to use racially charged language on the court. Seems as though everyone knows it goes on, even referees, and yet it is allowed. Sounds like the Corbin kid was just saying the kinds of things that a lot of kids say on the court during games. If kids have been allowed to say these things for decades, why is this even a story?
    Who says it is acceptable and has been allowed? Are you now admitting he was being racist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Science Friction View Post
    I just assumed that referees wouldn't allow this kind of stuff to go on but apparently it does from what I'm hearing. Disappointing.
    You do understand that kids are smart enough to not say stuff in front of a referee and their coaches?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PurplePride92 View Post
    I would use the word naive.
    I agree. Especially, considering the fact that apparently kids trash talk this kind of stuff during games as well. Without context, I guess, only the two kids know for sure. I mean , is it possible that there was nothing racial to the comment? Yes. It's also possible that I'll be abducted and molested by a extraterrestrial tonight.

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