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    Default Dylan Fosnacht throws 194 pitches

    Dylan Fosnacht of Rochester High School throws 194 pitches in 14 innings - ESPN

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    His coach should be fired and not allowed to coach again.

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    I just don't get it.

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    Personally, I love it. Pitch counts late in the season are overrated.
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    No coach in their right mind would push a kid to this point. Coach should be fired, and parents need some education on how this could be dangerous to the boy in the long run.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash Davis View Post
    Personally, I love it. Pitch counts late in the season are overrated.
    Yes, it may be late in the High School season, but what are the chances that this pitcher continues to pitch through summer league games?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FanofMany33 View Post
    No coach in their right mind would push a kid to this point. Coach should be fired, and parents need some education on how this could be dangerous to the boy in the long run.
    What do you mean dangerous?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FanofMany33 View Post
    Yes, it may be late in the High School season, but what are the chances that this pitcher continues to pitch through summer league games?
    Give him proper rest and he is fine.

    Bigger issue, IMO, is the fact that his catcher caught the majority of those 194 then pitched 8 innings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UKMustangFan View Post
    What do you mean dangerous?
    Based on numerous studies he has been involved in, Andrews said most shoulder and arm surgeries in youth, college and professional baseball are related to fatigue in the arm. And high pitch counts are a big factor in the fatigue.

    “Pitching too much in one game, one week or one season is a very high risk factor,” he said. “The problem is the injuries don’t always show up when they pitch too many pitches at age 15. When you see a pitcher at age 22 start developing a problem, you go look at their history and most times you find out they threw too much as a teen.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash Davis View Post
    Give him proper rest and he is fine.

    Bigger issue, IMO, is the fact that his catcher caught the majority of those 194 then pitched 8 innings.
    Yep, another bonehead move by the coach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FanofMany33 View Post
    Based on numerous studies he has been involved in, Andrews said most shoulder and arm surgeries in youth, college and professional baseball are related to fatigue in the arm. And high pitch counts are a big factor in the fatigue.

    “Pitching too much in one game, one week or one season is a very high risk factor,” he said. “The problem is the injuries don’t always show up when they pitch too many pitches at age 15. When you see a pitcher at age 22 start developing a problem, you go look at their history and most times you find out they threw too much as a teen.”

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    I firmly believe there are 2 issue's.

    1 - Not throwing enough.

    2 - Not getting proper rest after throwing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FanofMany33 View Post
    Based on numerous studies he has been involved in, Andrews said most shoulder and arm surgeries in youth, college and professional baseball are related to fatigue in the arm. And high pitch counts are a big factor in the fatigue.

    “Pitching too much in one game, one week or one season is a very high risk factor,” he said. “The problem is the injuries don’t always show up when they pitch too many pitches at age 15. When you see a pitcher at age 22 start developing a problem, you go look at their history and most times you find out they threw too much as a teen.”

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    Big pitch counts could lead to big problems - ESPNHS Baseball - ESPN
    Oh, you mean to his baseball career (which most likely ends after high school or shortly there after). I don't consider that danger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UKMustangFan View Post
    Oh, you mean to his baseball career (which most likely ends after high school or shortly there after). I don't consider that danger.
    How can you put a limit on a kids career that you know nothing about. That's like telling a kid "you're not going anywhere after high school, so I'm going to use you and tear up your arm while I can". If you want to make that gamble on a kid, you shouldn't be coaching.
    C'mon man!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FanofMany33 View Post
    How can you put a limit on a kids career that you know nothing about. That's like telling a kid "you're not going anywhere after high school, so I'm going to use you and tear up your arm while I can". If you want to make that gamble on a kid, you shouldn't be coaching.
    C'mon man!!
    Huh?

    Who said anything like that? The coach even said he talked to the kid every inning to make sure he was okay. Either way, that's besides the point. At the end of the day it's meaningless sports, it's not dangerous.

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    I love how back in the day pitchers could pitch all they wanted without fear and now they are restricted to pitch counts. I've always felt like if a person was going to get hurt they'll get hurt regardless of how many pitches they throw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PurplePride92 View Post
    I love how back in the day pitchers could pitch all they wanted without fear and now they are restricted to pitch counts. I've always felt like if a person was going to get hurt they'll get hurt regardless of how many pitches they throw.
    Back in the day, many pitchers suffered career ending arm injuries because they were over worked on the mound. The human arm is not built to throw overhanded, and high school kids' arms are often not fully developed. Enforcing reasonable pitch count limits does not eliminate the chance of injuries, but most arm injuries occur late in games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UKMustangFan View Post
    Huh?

    Who said anything like that? The coach even said he talked to the kid every inning to make sure he was okay. Either way, that's besides the point. At the end of the day it's meaningless sports, it's not dangerous.

    Quote Originally Posted by PurplePride92 View Post
    I love how back in the day pitchers could pitch all they wanted without fear and now they are restricted to pitch counts. I've always felt like if a person was going to get hurt they'll get hurt regardless of how many pitches they throw.
    Many of those guys who can't raise their arm above their shoulder or have other structural damage that has led to decades of arthritis and other problems might wish they managed their pitching load better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Schue View Post
    Many of those guys who can't raise their arm above their shoulder or have other structural damage that has led to decades of arthritis and other problems might wish they managed their pitching load better.
    The same goes for anyone with a knee injury, back injury, hip injury...etc. It can't be prevented. Look how many guys are on strict pitch count limits and STILL have multiple surgeries. You play a sport, there's risk of injury. Some that may stay with you for your entire life. Everyone should know that going in.

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    Kid says he is mot a regular pitcher. Plays infield.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash Davis View Post
    The same goes for anyone with a knee injury, back injury, hip injury...etc. It can't be prevented. Look how many guys are on strict pitch count limits and STILL have multiple surgeries. You play a sport, there's risk of injury. Some that may stay with you for your entire life. Everyone should know that going in.
    The problem with this argument, is that with the advent of pitch counts, we have also seen increases in workloads at earlier ages. It's not uncommon for elite 9 and 10 year olds to play 100 games per year, from February through October. So over the course of their baseball career, despite pitch counts, they are still thowing more innings over longer periods of time. Nowadays, it's almost a given that most pitchers are going to have Tommy John surgery at some point in time in their life. And it's not just pitchers. There has been a significant rise in repetitive use injuries at younger ages, probably mostly due to longer seasons at earlier ages.