Do we ask too much of Teachers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by littleluck55 View Post
    I assume you are for banning ccdw for everyone?
    You assumed. I said nothing about banning anyone of anything. I said that to put that extra duty on teachers was wrong, they have more than enough on their plate to add the extra burden of training to be proficient with a weapon. If you got banning ccdw for everyone from what I wrote, you read more between the lines than I could have thought to put there.
    But I will say this. If you think the amount of training that is required for you to get your ccdw is all the training that you should have to carry a weapon, you are sadly mistaken. But assume all you want.
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    I think the education system puts too much administrative work on teachers. Part of this is the shift to expecting teachers to cover the what has become the liability of school systems in regards to educating and disciplining children. Eg. a young student who has special needs or is not keeping up...too many parents are more worried about the stigma than getting the help their child clearly needs and does not get at home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 74devil View Post
    You assumed. I said nothing about banning anyone of anything. I said that to put that extra duty on teachers was wrong, they have more than enough on their plate to add the extra burden of training to be proficient with a weapon. If you got banning ccdw for everyone from what I wrote, you read more between the lines than I could have thought to put there.
    But I will say this. If you think the amount of training that is required for you to get your ccdw is all the training that you should have to carry a weapon, you are sadly mistaken. But assume all you want.
    We are not talking of training teachers to become a swat team and hunt down an active shooter. We are talking about teachers, who already have CCDW permits or who want to get them, having access to their gun, that they would normally be carrying with them if the school allowed it on property. They would be a last line of defense when they have a group of school children hiding in their classroom if a shooter walks through their door.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThrillVille Cardinal51 View Post
    I’d fall into the category of being comfortable staying armed, but I wouldn’t want my co-workers to be. Just my actual feelings.
    Depends on the coworker.

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    Teachers should have ALWAYS been allowed to carry (who choose to). I'm all for that. If it means extra training above and beyond the typical ccw training then thats fine. I have grand daughters who will be starting school soon, i can only hope she is surrounded by teachers who have the opportunity to defend their lives if that horrible scenario where to ever happen, especially since Papi cant be there to do it.

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    If you want armed people in schools then hirer someone trained properly, not someone with just a CCDW permit.

    As as far as asking too much of teachers, no we don’t. They’re asked to do a job they signed up for.

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    Yes is the answer.

    In our day assistant principles were the 'enforcers'. They were not packing. But we acted like they were. And they could chase down a truant with a 100 yard head start in wing-tips and a suit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodsrider View Post

    As as far as asking too much of teachers, no we don’t. They’re asked to do a job they signed up for.
    They didn’t sign up to have the state steal their pensions. There are a number of things they didn’t sign up for that got thrown in their lap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barrel View Post
    They didn’t sign up to have the state steal their pensions. There are a number of things they didn’t sign up for that got thrown in their lap.
    How's that different than 100% of the rest of the working force?

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    Quote Originally Posted by barrel View Post
    They didn’t sign up to have the state steal their pensions. There are a number of things they didn’t sign up for that got thrown in their lap.
    My only problem with this is all states employees are looking at this pension crisis. Not just teachers. But all you hear about in the news is teachers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by halfback20 View Post
    My only problem with this is all states employees are looking at this pension crisis. Not just teachers. But all you hear about in the news is teachers.
    Thank you. My wife is a social worker for the state so this directly affects my family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by halfback20 View Post
    My only problem with this is all states employees are looking at this pension crisis. Not just teachers. But all you hear about in the news is teachers.
    Teachers are squeakiest wheel right now. Technically, the KTRS’s problem is it has been underfunded, yet has performed above average. That diversion of funds to other programs has created the pension crisis in the KTRS. The KRS has a completely different set of issues that are equally corrupt and unfair to its recipients.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodsrider View Post
    Thank you. My wife is a social worker for the state so this directly affects my family.
    When I worked for the state revenue cabinet as a state worker I paid into the state retirement system AND social security. Teachers don’t get SS.

    Like stated before KRS and KTRS are of course different. My mother retired from the state so that part also directly effected my family.

    Unfortunately schools/teachers are having to raise these kids. Things that use to be taught by parents now fall on the school. Teachers spend more time with and around the students than many parents. This has increased over the years. Over the years more and more has been placed on the teachers plate. In response parents have increasingly blamed and pointed fingers at the schools/teachers instead of taking responsibility themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barrel View Post
    When I worked for the state revenue cabinet as a state worker I paid into the state retirement system AND social security. Teachers don’t get SS.

    Like stated before KRS and KTRS are of course different. My mother retired from the state so that part also directly effected my family.

    Unfortunately schools/teachers are having to raise these kids. Things that use to be taught by parents now fall on the school. Teachers spend more time with and around the students than many parents. This has increased over the years. Over the years more and more has been placed on the teachers plate. In response parents have increasingly blamed and pointed fingers at the schools/teachers instead of taking responsibility themselves.
    Wait... other state workers get SS?

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    Yes other state workers get SS. Unless something has changed. Postal Workers (of course they are Fed employees and have a great retirement along with RR workers).

    Teachers do not get SS.

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