Death of Woman in Arm & Leg Restraints Who Was Repeatedly Tazed Ruled "Accidental"

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    Death of Woman in Arm & Leg Restraints Who Was Repeatedly Tazed Ruled "Accidental"

    Death of woman shocked by stun gun in Fairfax jail is ruled an accident - The Washington Post
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    What possible reason could there be to taze a person who is already restrained?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawildcat View Post
    What possible reason could there be to taze a person who is already restrained?!
    None.

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    Does a DA every go against the Medical Examiner's conclusion? I would think not but this screams for another analysis.

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    Don't they have medication in the jail? She needed shots not a tazing.

    Surely they have policies and procedures in place for restraining. If that happened in a psyc hospital they would not have a legal leg to stand on.

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    To me, this is a better example of a case of depraved heart murder than what was going on in Baltimore if it was just a "rough ride".

    I'd imagine it's someone with very little training if they think that repeatedly shocking someone is going to do anything to them except seriously hurt them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JokersWild24 View Post
    To me, this is a better example of a case of depraved heart murder than what was going on in Baltimore if it was just a "rough ride".

    I'd imagine it's someone with very little training if they think that repeatedly shocking someone is going to do anything to them except seriously hurt them.
    And it certainly is not going to help a psychotic person calm down.
    Sounds like someone was trying to teach this woman "a lesson". It is a shame.

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    Now that the media is getting ahold of this one, I think some decisions may be changing and heads starting to roll.

    I'm obviously not a LEO, but is there a reason you taser a restrained person? I thought the purpose of tasing was to stop fleeing and/or take control of an uncooperative person without endangering yourself more than necessary. Seems that once someone is cuffed, that's kind of taken care of.

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    FWIW 4 jolts from a TASER shouldn't kill anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jumper_Dad View Post
    FWIW 4 jolts from a TASER shouldn't kill anyone.
    Still doesn't answer why it's appropriate to tase* someone repeatedly when they are already restrained.

    *(sorry my spellcheck didn't catch it first time)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jumper_Dad View Post
    FWIW 4 jolts from a TASER shouldn't kill anyone.
    It shouldn't but life has a way of throwing curve balls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawildcat View Post
    It shouldn't but life has a way of throwing curve balls.
    Agreed. If you assault a hemophiliac and kill them, it doesn't matter that it wouldn't have killed 99% of the population, you've still committed a homicide. It may not be murder, but it can certainly be manslaughter.

    This isn't an "I hate police" thing people have, it's a "did this woman die needlessly?" thing. The article is from a credible source and states she was restrained both at the arms and legs, and that numerous experts have stated that it was excessive.

    Now the jail has already taken them out of use, and while subsequent remedial measures probably won't be admissible in tort, it's still telling to the public. I think it's fair to say that it seems as if the problem wasn't the taser, it was the person using it.

    To top it all, the report states that she was transferred there on February 3 because "her mental state was deteriorating", so it isn't as if they didn't have notice that this woman had some mental issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jumper_Dad View Post
    FWIW 4 jolts from a TASER shouldn't kill anyone.
    Shouldn't. But people,who are acutely psychotic tend to have faster heart rates. In addition, they often self medicate with cocaine, which can cause heart attacks by itself. Either one could have predisposed her to an arrythmia. A taser may have aggravated this situation. Not saying this was the case, but if it could be. I have seen violent people subdued safely using tasers. They are a good tool, but everything has risks. I don't see any reason why someone already in restraints warrants getting tazed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JokersWild24 View Post

    Agreed. If you assault a hemophiliac and kill them, it doesn't matter that it wouldn't have killed 99% of the population, you've still committed a homicide. It may not be murder, but it can certainly be manslaughter.

    This isn't an "I hate police" thing people have, it's a "did this woman die needlessly?" thing. The article is from a credible source and states she was restrained both at the arms and legs, and that numerous experts have stated that it was excessive.

    Now the jail has already taken them out of use, and while subsequent remedial measures probably won't be admissible in tort, it's still telling to the public. I think it's fair to say that it seems as if the problem wasn't the taser, it was the person using it.

    To top it all, the report states that she was transferred there on February 3 because "her mental state was deteriorating", so it isn't as if they didn't have notice that this woman had some mental issues.
    If it was at a jail was it police or jail staff that did this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by halfback20 View Post
    If it was at a jail was it police or jail staff that did this?
    Jail staff I'm imagining, so I'm not even cop hating here at all I guess.

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