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    Quote Originally Posted by JDEaston View Post
    Yet different countries have different ideals of what is considered an urban area. What classifies an area as urban? Is there a criteria that every country in the world abides by, or is it just a made up number for individual countries?
    Definition seems to be 1,000+ people per square mile.

    List of urban areas by population - Wikipedia
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Professor View Post
    The US does have more people than Japan, 323 million compared to 130 million, but the statistics are still interesting. I read one article that in one of the recent years Japan had 6 murders by gun and the US had 17,000.
    We helped them out with that after they attacked Pearl Harbor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcpapa View Post
    No doubt a huge factor - I wholeheartedly agree. But like it or not, those cities are part of the U.S.
    Yeah and they are the center of a lot of gun crimes including murders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muskie View Post
    Definition seems to be 1,000+ people per square mile.

    List of urban areas by population - Wikipedia

    ...Says wikipediea. I mentioned earlier how much I don't trust wiki.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muskie View Post
    If I insinuated anything I did it without knowing it.

    I'm truly asking. We're very similar to Germany yet we kill at a much higher rate. Doesn't it seem wise to ask why?

    A lot of people say it's not stricter gun laws because criminals will always get guns. Isn't that true in Germany as well? One guy said it was something to do with Christianity yet the US is more Christian than Germany.

    Two advanced countries with a much different rate of gun deaths.
    I don't think we are similar. Our urban areas are different. So are our rural. Our culture isn't the same, never really has been. Again, something in this country has changed, it isn't guns. People have changed. But what about them has changed to the point that these kind of things are happening?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDEaston View Post
    Not really. Urban areas in the US are where most of gun related (or any weapon for that matter) deaths occur. The USA has a lot more urban area's than Germany.
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    There is a lot of violent crime in our country, period. We also have more drug use/crime than those countries. The vast majority of gun violence comes from our 10 largest cities...take those out and the gun homicides in the US drop dramatically.
    Do we, on a per capita basis? David Bowie went to make records in Berlin in the early 70s, and took Iggy Pop along, because of how great and easy-to-get the heroin was.

    It doesn't matter where in the world you are. People use drugs. It's always been especially so in urban areas, and big cities have always had those problems, whether it's New York, London, Paris, Munich (when the Pop Muzik song was made), or whether it's Cairo, Moscow, Johannesburg, Sao Paulo, Kyoto or any other of its type with millions upon millions of people packed on top of one another.

    What is scaring middle America so much is the after-effects of the grand corporate drug push, and what happened when legislators in those areas started clamping down. People got hooked, but they still needed their fix.

    It used to be easy for folks in small towns to shrug off the issues going on in the urban slums as something foreign, to be avoided, like Louisville's West End. "Not our problem," they said. It's hitting close to home now, thanks to Big Pharma and what filled the void when the inevitable legislative crackdown came.

    I hope I danced on the tightwire well enough to avoid this thread being shut down. I've tried to be as politically vague as possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muskie View Post
    That's why it's better to look at a per capita rate than a gross number rate.
    I disagree, the huge population numbers in a city like LA or Chicago make 100 or even 1000 murders look insignificant when looking at a per capita rate. I like looking at the raw numbers and the clustering of murders, not watered down per capita numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Schue View Post
    Do we, on a per capita basis? David Bowie went to make records in Berlin in the early 70s, and took Iggy Pop along, because of how great and easy-to-get the heroin was.

    It doesn't matter where in the world you are. People use drugs. It's always been especially so in urban areas, and big cities have always had those problems, whether it's New York, London, Paris, Munich (when the Pop Muzik song was made), or whether it's Cairo, Moscow, Johannesburg, Sao Paulo, Kyoto or any other of its type with millions upon millions of people packed on top of one another.

    What is scaring middle America so much is the after-effects of the grand corporate drug push, and what happened when legislators in those areas started clamping down. People got hooked, but they still needed their fix.

    It used to be easy for folks in small towns to shrug off the issues going on in the urban slums as something foreign, to be avoided, like Louisville's West End. "Not our problem," they said. It's hitting close to home now, thanks to Big Pharma and what filled the void when the inevitable legislative crackdown came.

    I hope I danced on the tightwire well enough to avoid this thread being shut down. I've tried to be as politically vague as possible.
    Not vague enough...

    We are staying out of politics here Jim, after all that horse has been beaten to death on here in the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jumper_Dad View Post
    I disagree, the huge population numbers in a city like LA or Chicago make 100 or even 1000 murders look insignificant when looking at a per capita rate. I like looking at the raw numbers and the clustering of murders, not watered down per capita numbers.
    Sir, you don't seem to understand per capita.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muskie View Post
    Sir, you don't seem to understand per capita.
    He does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Run To State View Post
    Obviously we did. I take this very seriously. We don't know the problem. Although there are those that think it's an object, I realize it's something that's changed in people. No object (car, gun, bomb, etc.) can kill without being employed by a human. Why would we blame the object? Why wouldn't we instead try to get to the actual source of the problem? Politicization. That's why. It's just sad.
    What about semi automatic weapons? That is an object and it seems to be involved in a lot of these incidents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muskie View Post
    Sir, you don't seem to understand per capita.
    Please. Define it for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voice of Reason View Post
    What about semi automatic weapons? That is an object and it seems to be involved in a lot of these incidents.
    So are vehicles these days. Neither are killing without a human behind it. Right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDEaston View Post
    Yet different countries have different ideals of what is considered an urban area. What classifies an area as urban? Is there a criteria that every country in the world abides by, or is it just a made up number for individual countries?
    From a big-picture demographic standpoint, yes, Ashland is urban in that there are a lot of people clustered in a small area. Same thing about Pikeville. Get outside of those cluster locations and the population density drops off the map in the US and KY. Not so in Germany or anywhere else in Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Run To State View Post
    So are vehicles these days. Neither are killing without a human behind it. Right?
    And instantly rules concerning how trucks are rented were being looked at.

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