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    Quote Originally Posted by halfback20 View Post
    I read that the shooter was a former student who had been expelled.
    Right, so he just walked in the building? We can no longer rely on someone at the front desk “watching people come in.” We need metal detectors and security in our schools.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Anthony View Post
    Right, so he just walked in the building? We can no longer rely on someone at the front desk “watching people come in.” We need metal detectors and security in our schools.
    I don't know. I don't know what the school has in place already, or doesn't. From what I read, there were 2 school resource officers in this school already. How many can school systems afford to put in schools?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gold sunrise View Post
    I am in Florida just North of where it happened. It is all over the news here.

    Prayers and angels for all.
    Me too. Been down here since December, just west of Stuart, FL. in Okeechobee County.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel View Post
    Me too. Been down here since December, just west of Stuart, FL. in Okeechobee County.
    Was at Stuart 2 weeks ago then on to Pompono Beach for a few days. Now in Punta Gorda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bengal Maniac View Post
    That is correct JD. When the State Police conducted active shooter training in our schools and with me they told us this. I posted about this in another thread a while back. There are things schools can do to combat this and locking and barricading classroom doors is the first thing if you are in lockdown. Early reports are he pulled the fire alarm and students started evacuating and then he started shooting. Could be rumors, though. So understand that.

    The best preventative, and not fool proof, is the detectors. We are heading that direction. Sad it will get there, but it will.

    I am convinced this is the best solution to save lives that we know now. Then lockdown the total school at all times.
    I respect your opinion on the school security issue very much, so thanks for the info.

    Such a terrible, terrible tragedy. As Deuce has stated here, I hope justice for the guilty party is swift.

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    One entrance to the school, metal detectors with guards. We’ve all been in a retail store with the theft buzzer going off and everyone looking. NO reason why we can’t do this in schools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Anthony View Post
    One entrance to the school, metal detectors with guards. We’ve all been in a retail store with the theft buzzer going off and everyone looking. NO reason why we can’t do this in schools.
    That might fly at Raceland or Fairview. This school had 3,000 students.

    Assuming 1 student every five seconds gets through and no delays of any kind, that's four hours and ten minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcpapa View Post
    That might fly at Raceland or Fairview. This school had 3,000 students.

    Assuming 1 student every five seconds gets through and no delays of any kind, that's four hours and ten minutes.
    It would take forever to get them all in because it would take longer than 5 seconds per imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by halfback20 View Post
    It would take forever to get them all in because it would take longer than 5 seconds per imo.

    In large schools you would have to have multiple metal detectors and assigned entrances for students. It can be done rather quickly, however, it would be very expensive to staff and originally prurchase thedetectors. In Philly, where I visited, they stagger students arrival and have multiple detectors. When I arrived tehy had a special detector for visitors.

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    This dude walked in with a an AR15. It’s not like he had that in his sock. What was a metal detector going to do to stop that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDeuce View Post
    So they took the dude into custody, searched him, threw him in the back of the cruiser. Then a couple minutes later, take him out of the cruiser, stand him up, put him on a stretcher, load him in an ambulance and take him to the hospital... That seems strange to me.
    Not really, police said he started experiencing labored breathing so an ambulance was called.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 75center View Post
    Not really, police said he started experiencing labored breathing so an ambulance was called.
    Yeah I would say the reality of what he just did was setting in on him.

    I don't know how cops keep themselves under control when they catch a guy like this alive. It would be hard not to wear him out upon capture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldgrappler View Post
    We need to change the culture. People used to have more respect for human life. Why are kids growing up so angry and then come to the place where they are willing to take the life of another person?
    Quote Originally Posted by Science Friction View Post
    Good thread topic for another day. Do you think kids are any angrier than, say, five or six decades ago? I think oftentimes we look back upon our younger days as "the good old days" where everything was right with the world? But is that really the case? I'm not sure if it is. I know it seems like it sometimes, but maybe its just old guys like you and I being sentimental for yesteryear. Maybe it never was an Ozzie and Harriet world to begin with.
    I think the number of kids or the percentage of kids who are "angry" is higher now than when I grew up--but that is only my speculation. I do know some of them act more violently than when I was in school. Violence has increased over the decades. Behavior that would have been shocking in the past is becoming common place in schools.

    Schools that already have metal detectors in them do so, not because of mass shootings, but because of the violence that occurs within the school on an almost daily basis and the teachers and students needed some form of protection. These same schools, in the 50's and 60's did NOT require metal detectors to protect the teachers and students. Philadelphia was mentioned. Someone who grew up in a school in north Philly that now has metal detectors said that it was not like that when he attended that same school as a student. The discipline issues dealt with back then had to do with very minor things. Now fights in the hallways and teachers being assaulted are the issues school administrators must deal with.

    It's not just North Philly, this kind of behavior is found all over. Now, a new form of violence is occurring. The lone person, who for whatever reason, comes to school and starts shooting without regard for human life. So we are talking about adding metal detectors to all schools because of the increase in these types of incidences.

    I don't know about other places, but in my suburban setting, the elementary schools are changing. More students with issues stemming from parental drug and alcohol abuse, etc. More kids on medication. It's very sad when you see what these young kids have to deal with. As another thread noted, truancy issues are increasing because it's too much bother for some parents to see that their child gets to school.

    I suppose all of this is for another thread. But, SF, I do think that the anger level has increased over time, among other less-than-desirable traits that erodes respect for human life and increases the incidences of violence. And ever since Columbine, these angry people have another option for expressing their violence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodsrider View Post
    This dude walked in with a an AR15. It’s not like he had that in his sock. What was a metal detector going to do to stop that?
    Thank you. Unless metal detectors are going to stop bullets when they come out of guns then metal detectors are pointless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcpapa View Post
    That might fly at Raceland or Fairview. This school had 3,000 students.

    Assuming 1 student every five seconds gets through and no delays of any kind, that's four hours and ten minutes.
    Maybe a few more entrances but 50,000+ people do it at sporting events. Safety, isn’t convenient.

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