Baltimore Mayor says space was provided for those who wished to destroy stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nkuclubbaseball19 View Post
    So basically you can't refute the points I made so you are throwing in the towel under the premise of "not wasting anymore time." Got it.

    And the points you've tried to argue here don't scream law knowledge. Sorry if that offends you but just calling a spade a spade.
    Exactly counselor. I have no chance. The defense rests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JokersWild24 View Post

    Trust me, it's not that. It's been a busy day and I don't want to get all worked up. Woosah for me for the next day or two. It's getting the thread off topic anyway and I've typed plenty on how I feel about it. I'm not getting into a probable cause, warrant, all that what if game tonight. Happy thoughts here.
    But you see how that looks right? He made some valid points. You wrote a couple books on the topic already and being off topic didn't bother you then...

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    Quote Originally Posted by halfback20 View Post
    But you see how that looks right? He made some valid points. You wrote a couple books on the topic already and being off topic didn't bother you then...
    I think it's more that I learned I passed the Bar Exam today and also found out I'd gotten a job that I'd applied for after a month of waiting. Good day and I don't feel like arguing. I'll come back to it in 2 or 3 days once I'm mad at the world again and start a thread on it even. For now, I just wanna enjoy myself and be happy. Proving up a constitutional, criminal, or civil procedure issue to a BGP audience isn't really high on my priorities right now. Give me a few days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockmom View Post
    I won't sit here and pretend I know what it's like to be black. I DO know what it's like to be poor. And be frustrated because I can't get a break because I'm poor, because I must only have been poor because I wasn't working hard enough. But I am white. I know without a doubt I eventually worked my way out of poverty because of that. Had I been a single , black mom with 2 kids and only a high school diploma, my life would be very different than what it is because the breaks I finally did get, I got because (in part) I fit the "look" that they were looking for.

    I have a very dear friend who is black. She and her family have had things happen that, had they been white, would not have been all that much of a big deal. But because they were black, the stereotypes had to be overcome before they could get the help they needed.

    Unless this country is completely honest about not only the economic disparity, but the disproportionate racial makeup of that disparity, we'll get nowhere.

    Obama didnt make this problem. The riots and protests of recent times have been brewing and bubbling and now are coming to a head. And as long we as the white middle class marginalize entire groups of people, and make assumptions based on looks or circumstance, thwe incidents will continue.
    I like this post Mom. However, what is the solution? The politicians are great at stating problems and vilifying groups but terrible at coming up with solutions. As a middle class white dude who lives in the burbs, what can I do? There are many others like me that hear we need to do something but what? If a black child grows up without a father and a mom working two jobs to make ends meet (and in doing so cannot be as attentive to her children as she would like) and the kid is going to a terrible school in the inner-city, I agree he has two strikes against him in life.

    What frustrates me is when others tell people like me (middle class folks who have worked hard for what they have) that they are only lucky and should feel guilty for what they have. IMO, as long as 75% of black kids grow up without a father, this problem will NEVER go away. These kids have such a bad start in life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ggclfan View Post
    I like this post Mom. However, what is the solution? The politicians are great at stating problems and vilifying groups but terrible at coming up with solutions. As a middle class white dude who lives in the burbs, what can I do? There are many others like me that hear we need to do something but what? If a black child grows up without a father and a mom working two jobs to make ends meet (and in doing so cannot be as attentive to her children as she would like) and the kid is going to a terrible school in the inner-city, I agree he has two strikes against him in life.

    What frustrates me is when others tell people like me (middle class folks who have worked hard for what they have) that they are only lucky and should feel guilty for what they have. IMO, as long as 75% of black kids grow up without a father, this problem will NEVER go away. These kids have such a bad start in life.
    Where are you getting this from? I'm honestly curious about that. Especially when the CDC came out with a study that shows that black fathers spend more time with their kids. Statistics can be tricky. Just because one study shows that many black kids are living with only their mom doesn't mean their fathers are not involved with in their lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ggclfan View Post
    I like this post Mom. However, what is the solution? The politicians are great at stating problems and vilifying groups but terrible at coming up with solutions. As a middle class white dude who lives in the burbs, what can I do? There are many others like me that hear we need to do something but what? If a black child grows up without a father and a mom working two jobs to make ends meet (and in doing so cannot be as attentive to her children as she would like) and the kid is going to a terrible school in the inner-city, I agree he has two strikes against him in life.

    What frustrates me is when others tell people like me (middle class folks who have worked hard for what they have) that they are only lucky and should feel guilty for what they have. IMO, as long as 75% of black kids grow up without a father, this problem will NEVER go away. These kids have such a bad start in life.
    WE own this problem. All of us, no matter what gender, race, religion, anything. Empathy is the place to start. There has to be recognition from all quarters that we do NOT have a one size fits all society. What works for one may not be what works for others. Middle-class Americans need to realize their lives are nothing like poor citizens. White people need to realize they don't know what it's like to be black in America. All people need to realize that inclusion HAS to be a part of the solution. Middle and upper class people need to stop generalizing the poor. Black people need to stop believing that whites are holding them back. Whites need to stop making arm chair quarterback comments about what black people should do.

    This is a complex problem. There is no single solution, rather a journey to progress. I don't think Black America wants to riot and protest. But when voices aren't heard, the frustration erupts. I am tired of hearing that blacks need to fix the problem. It is all of our roles to participate. It HAS to start with a genuine effort to drop perceptions, open our eyes and ears and LISTEN to each other.

    We need to stop burying our heads and being so dispassionate about what happens in our communities. I see that attitude in how people react to incidents in certain areas of Louisville. For instance, the friend I mentioned above has a home she purchased land for and had built in the West End. Some people hear where she lives and automatically assume she lives in a bad part of town, and she must be on food stamps and welfare. They hear she has 3 kids and isn't married. But they don't know that she's been with the kids' father for over 20 years, and he lives with and until a crazy incident took away his ability to walk, he worked and helped support his family.

    And while most cops we may know are not like those who have come to our attention recently, we cannot give more credence to them than to the people in the communities they police.

    We sit and watch the riots from afar, criticizing reactions and making assumptions about whole communities by what we see on TV and read on the internet. But we have no idea of all the years of things that led to these days.

    We need to examine our own communities critically and honestly and make sure that we are all doing what we can to ensure that citizens in our community are not marginalized and feel thrust aside.

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    And no one is saying middle class people are just lucky. But there must be an acknowledgement that being white and middle class is very different than black and middle class, or poor and any color.

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    And one more thing....white men are just as likely, if not more likely, to bail on their familial responsibilities.

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    Nice article. Thanks for posting.

    I (and a lot of others) just cannot grasp how ANYONE thinks destroying your own neighborhood is the answer. So many people have been hurt by the rioting/looting. I feel so bad for the many small business owners and workers who now have no paycheck...and these are people who need the paycheck.

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    One of these days maybe, just maybe people will begin to be held
    accountable for their actions instead of pointing fingers and making excuses. What happened in Baltimore is not a black white thing. The city leaders are black, the majority of the police dept are black. I get tired of the racist acts of blame for something that happened centuries ago. take responsibility for your actions and hold those responsible for their own actions.

    There is going to be a protest in Cincinnati tomorrow for what happened in Baltimore, why? Why protest for someone you don't even know from a city you don't live while your own city has high crime rates and your own people are being killed whether it be black on black, white on white or whatever. I get tired of others trying to make me feel guilty because I'm a white man for things that are happening across the country that I have nothing to do with or has nothing to do with race in the first place. Hold yourselves accountable
    for your actions and quit blaming others for your screw ups.

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    Now the mayor won't answer questions about the stand down order, she never said a word today. And why is Al Sharpton with the mayor and appearing to speak for her when she didn't say a thing?

    She knows that she messed up with the stand down order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellbird View Post
    One of these days maybe, just maybe people will begin to be held
    accountable for their actions instead of pointing fingers and making excuses. What happened in Baltimore is not a black white thing. The city leaders are black, the majority of the police dept are black. I get tired of the racist acts of blame for something that happened centuries ago. take responsibility for your actions and hold those responsible for their own actions.

    There is going to be a protest in Cincinnati tomorrow for what happened in Baltimore, why? Why protest for someone you don't even know from a city you don't live while your own city has high crime rates and your own people are being killed whether it be black on black, white on white or whatever. I get tired of others trying to make me feel guilty because I'm a white man for things that are happening across the country that I have nothing to do with or has nothing to do with race in the first place. Hold yourselves accountable
    for your actions and quit blaming others for your screw ups.
    Hellbird, this is the dumbest statement that has been made in this entire thread so far. Slavery ended over 150 years ago. That is not centuries. Also, racial discrimination didn't just end after slavery ended. There were many forms of racial discrimination, including red lining which plays a huge part of why cities are segregated the way they are today. It is true that this shouldn't be an excuse, but if you think that the racial discrimination that black people have faced doesn't play a significant factor, then it is incredibly clear that you have zero clue about what are talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ggclfan View Post
    Nice article. Thanks for posting.

    I (and a lot of others) just cannot grasp how ANYONE thinks destroying your own neighborhood is the answer. So many people have been hurt by the rioting/looting. I feel so bad for the many small business owners and workers who now have no paycheck...and these are people who need the paycheck.
    I just ran across this article a friend of mine shared on her Facebook page. She is a member of the Louisville church mentioned in the article.

    This article outlines well what I feel strongly that we need to do in our communities.

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