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    Quote Originally Posted by Jumper_Dad View Post
    You know I actually over heard a conversation yesterday in a waiting room where two guys said they thought these riots were being at least tacitly encouraged for this very reason.

    I was told by someone on the ground in St Louis, that in Ferguson the Gov had 2500 Nat Guard the first day ready to go to the streets to ensure there were no riots and he was told to stand down by Washington "Because it would make the community look bad, like they couldn't control themselves"...which they couldn't.

    You know Ref, I heard once that in every conspiracy theory there is a grain of truth.
    Watergate was a conspiracy for 2 or 3 years - till it was not - and involved every intel agency and thousands of people. How we forget - it has happened and is not stuff of fiction.

    This is probably a little early for the Marshall Law gig if that were in the works. Dry run?

    Some of the recent events do seem to be flames fanned for the the race war as called for by many 70s radical groups whose members now enjoy high level access or influence. Sometimes it feels like their last shot before the die off. Weathermen, Black Panthers, others all wanted a race war.

    What is somewhat ironic (since that word o the night) is that the actual violence seems somewhat mild. It feels astroturfed. Its not got the fervor of the Rodney King riots or the Watts riots. It does seem if they wanted to put this down and protect property it would not be hard. TV feeds do not show large masses of people for blocks upon blocks. It just seems to lack the true rage of riots from the past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JokersWild24 View Post
    I've been onto the general sensationalism in the media for awhile now. Give me some credit, even if I am a butthole.
    Lol. You're not a butthead lol. I can't keep up with those that think what is happening in Baltimore as a race relations thing or what it actually is.

    Ive vey been liking a ton of posts in FB showing the other side that isn't seen on the news such as the old man who served in the army for 30 years getting in some young looters telling them to go home etc.

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    The hardest part about the situation is the only way out is to provide better quality jobs for people in these neighborhoods. But what business leader is going to build in these areas with them burning down.

    I saw one Baltimore resident on CNN talking about the riots there in 68 and how the area was flourishing with business. But after they all burnt down they never came back. Fast forward to 2015 with even fewer jobs available in these neighborhoods than 1968 , even more businesses burn.

    I've stated over and over this is a socioeconomic problem. It starts at home then at school and then having jobs there for people to work. The problem is there is a problem with all threw and no one has an answer on how to fix any.

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    Quote Originally Posted by All Tell View Post
    So that justifies (or at least gives some justification) for the acts of violence we are witnessing?
    Didn't they used to call those lynch mobs?
    Nope. I think you missed the train of thought when this post was made. I was answering why nothing like these riots happen when a black dude kills a white man. Nothing justifies the acts of violence we are witnessing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LIPTON BASH View Post
    The hardest part about the situation is the only way out is to provide better quality jobs for people in these neighborhoods. But what business leader is going to build in these areas with them burning down.

    I saw one Baltimore resident on CNN talking about the riots there in 68 and how the area was flourishing with business. But after they all burnt down they never came back. Fast forward to 2015 with even fewer jobs available in these neighborhoods than 1968 , even more businesses burn.

    I've stated over and over this is a socioeconomic problem. It starts at home then at school and then having jobs there for people to work. The problem is there is a problem with all threw and no one has an answer on how to fix any.
    Even without these riots no one was putting a respectable business in these neighborhoods or creating jobs in these neighborhoods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LIPTON BASH View Post
    I'd saying calling an individual a name based on individual actions is a lot different than degrading an entire proffesion of hard working people. Although I wouldn't be in favor of calling the president any of the above either. But I may be guilty of the clueless word .
    He called one cop a low rent goof. Not all of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djason Unchained View Post
    Even without these riots no one was putting a respectable business in these neighborhoods or creating jobs in these neighborhoods.
    I'm not disputing that. But a brand new large CVS was just put in and it burns. I don't doubt there are community leaders working to get business in and this makes the job harder.

    Until people have an answer to better educate and provide jobs we can blame the police all we want but crime isn't going anywhere.

    That also isn't to say some police behavior doesn't need to improve and relationships need to be built. But if all a child has is gangs and drugs to make a living the cycle never ends. We can have the most polite police you could imagine it won't solve the real problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jumper_Dad View Post
    I've avoided this and the other threads on this subject because I've already read most of what is being said on both sides a few months ago in the Ferguson threads...if these have been discussed I apologize that I've not read every post on this or the other threads.

    A couple of questions that I have, Why hasn't the Mayor and Police Chief done something about the police issues that are going on in Baltimore that seem to be fueling the riots?

    Aren't the police officers involved in this situation suspended and under investigation, if so then why are they rioting?
    The corrupt never fix the corrupt. Criminals and low life opportunistic people are rioting. There are still peaceful protests going on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LIPTON BASH View Post
    I'm not disputing that. But a brand new large CVS was just put in and it burns. I don't doubt there are community leaders working to get business in and this makes the job harder.

    Until people have an answer to better educate and provide jobs we can blame the police all we want but crime isn't going anywhere.

    That also isn't to say some police behavior doesn't need to improve and relationships need to be built. But if all a child has is gangs and drugs to make a living the cycle never ends. We can have the most polite police you could imagine it won't solve the real problem.
    Yeah but being able to trust those who are supposed to protect and serve you goes a long long way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djason Unchained View Post
    He called one cop a low rent goof. Not all of them.
    Just wanted to add, I really didn't know that 'low rent' was an older term with some pejorative connotations. That was not my intent at all. I was just trying to make the point that this was probably a country club, gated community that wasn't exactly known for violence, but a guy who probably didn't live there came in guns blazing and you have what you had.

    Not an indictment of all officers either. I just think that given the whole ordeal, it would have been easy for the guy to realize he made a mistake and walk away with hurt pride instead of making it the storm it turned into.

    I'd imagine that other people at the university or in the Cambridge community, many of them accomplished minorities themselves, probably weren't encouraged by the incident. When you work in an area with a wealthy tax base that funds you to protect their exclusive neighborhood, it probably isn't a good idea to ruffle the feathers of too many constituents.

    Like it or not, it's a fact of life that those types of people can fund a new department quicker than the officer could replenish the tax base if it were to begin eroding.

    Doesn't mean it isn't right or that it isn't petty, but I'm guessing that it's fairly well understood that it comes with the territory when you sign up to cash their township's checks, and that if they really had that much of a problem with it, they could probably part ways amicably and the people who live there could do what they could to find someone who didn't mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djason Unchained View Post
    Yeah but being able to trust those who are supposed to protect and serve you goes a long long way.
    I don't disagree but it is also a two way street. There does need to be an open line of communication between both sides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djason Unchained View Post
    Okay. So it's fine to call the POTUS a moron, an idiot, stupid, dumb, clueless, etc. but call a cop low rent and it's offensive?


    Whatever.
    Don't believe I have ever referred to the POTUS in any of those terms. I have said some of his policies were killing the country.

    That has exactly what to do with calling someone low rent?

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    Quote Originally Posted by capt278 View Post
    Don't believe I have ever referred to the POTUS in any of those terms. I have said some of his policies were killing the country.

    That has exactly what to do with calling someone low rent?
    Yeah but you've seen the POTUS referred to in those terms and you sure weren't offended then. I thought it was funny and ironic that you were insulted by someone calling a cop a low rent goof but never seem to mind when the leader of the free world is insulted. That's what it has to do with calling someone low rent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JokersWild24 View Post
    Just wanted to add, I really didn't know that 'low rent' was an older term with some pejorative connotations. That was not my intent at all. I was just trying to make the point that this was probably a country club, gated community that wasn't exactly known for violence, but a guy who probably didn't live there came in guns blazing and you have what you had.

    Not an indictment of all officers either. I just think that given the whole ordeal, it would have been easy for the guy to realize he made a mistake and walk away with hurt pride instead of making it the storm it turned into.

    I'd imagine that other people at the university or in the Cambridge community, many of them accomplished minorities themselves, probably weren't encouraged by the incident. When you work in an area with a wealthy tax base that funds you to protect their exclusive neighborhood, it probably isn't a good idea to ruffle the feathers of too many constituents.

    Like it or not, it's a fact of life that those types of people can fund a new department quicker than the officer could replenish the tax base if it were to begin eroding.

    Doesn't mean it isn't right or that it isn't petty, but I'm guessing that it's fairly well understood that it comes with the territory when you sign up to cash their township's checks, and that if they really had that much of a problem with it, they could probably part ways amicably and the people who live there could do what they could to find someone who didn't mind.
    Don't lose sleep over it. There are people who didn't know that using boy to an adult black man is racially insulting and don't get me started on the Cleveland anchor who used a word that apparently no one knew was a racially offensive word either. It'll be all right. I never knew low rent was a degrading term either. Oh well.......

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