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    Quote Originally Posted by True blue (and gold) View Post
    That may be your thought, but it is incorrect. If you look at total deaths per total population of dogs, three breeds rank higher. 1) Rottweiler 2) German Shepherd 3) Chow.
    That has to be materially incorrect on its face. The German Shepherd is in the top five as popular breeds and it has 1 or 2 fatal attacks per year. So its population is greater than the ABPT and mixes and the fatalities are 10x less. (2 vs 20 apx).

    On any normalized basis the APBT and cousins are still vastly more of a threat using fatalities as the measure.
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    I do not see why owners are getting the blame on this issue.

    There are probably 'bad' owners for all breeds. Why this would be an issue with one breed?

    And I do get that any breed can be a problem. We had a male cocker that was nuts. Had it since he was a pup, had him professionally trained, never abused in any manner at all and thought we did all the right things. But he attacked men in hats and small kids. We were trying to break him of those issues before the first child came and he did not like the discipline. But he went after me in a very vicious way one night. We already knew how it may have to end but that was the last straw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodsrider View Post
    Then why excuse or denfend every instance?
    Every instance of what? I don't follow what you are saying. Have I denied the article in the OP?

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    Quote Originally Posted by silo11 View Post
    What about this?

    KNOE has updated their earlier report with new information. Laura worked at the Happy Hound Hotel. She was caring for the animals staying overnight when the 50-pound dog attacked her, investigators said. The hotel's owner said they were boarding the pit bull for the first time when it mauled her, but the pit bull's owner signed a form stating the dog was not aggressive. After the attack, the pit bull's owner told Happy Hound the dog had never done anything like this before.

    Pit bull kills woman working at a pet hotel in West Monroe
    Quote Originally Posted by SnottieDrippen View Post
    Surely an animal in a new setting with new people wouldn't do anything out of character...
    Quote Originally Posted by woodsrider View Post
    So basically Pits are great as long as they are never allowed to leave their home or be around anyone other than immediate family. Gotcha.
    Quote Originally Posted by True blue (and gold) View Post
    Hyperbole. Millions of pit bulls never harm a soul. They go to parks. They travel the country. They go on hikes.
    Quote Originally Posted by woodsrider View Post
    The narrative was only dogs with bad owners bite. A story was posted showing that not the case and out come the excuses.

    You guys obviously fine with 20 people a year being killed. I personally would prefer to look for ways to get that number to zero but whatever. You guys win, nothing to see here. I
    Quote Originally Posted by True blue (and gold) View Post
    Again, hyperbole. None of us are fine with any dog killing anyone. UKMustangfan and I both mentioned supporting measures for responsible dog ownership.
    Quote Originally Posted by woodsrider View Post
    Then why excuse or denfend every instance?
    Quote Originally Posted by True blue (and gold) View Post
    Every instance of what? I don't follow what you are saying. Have I denied the article in the OP?
    Again, an example gets brought up that doesn't fit the bad owner narrative and a new excuse Gets put forth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodsrider View Post
    Again, an example gets brought up that doesn't fit the bad owner narrative and a new excuse Gets put forth.
    I'm not following you. What new excuse did I bring up?

    What do you really want out of this thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by True blue (and gold) View Post
    I'm not following you. What new excuse did I bring up?

    What do you really want out of this thread?
    I didn't say you specifically. I was replying to snotties post when you replied to me.

    i was trying to have an open conversation about what can change but most in here don't want to acknowledge there's an issue so whatever. At this point I don't want anything out of it. In a couple of weeks when we have another one you guys can stick your head in the sand some more and I'll just stay out of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodsrider View Post
    I didn't say you specifically. I was replying to snotties post when you replied to me.

    i was trying to have an open conversation about what can change but most in here don't want to acknowledge there's an issue so whatever. At this point I don't want anything out of it. In a couple of weeks when we have another one you guys can stick your head in the sand some more and I'll just stay out of it.
    Again.. @UKMustangFan and I have both said that we would be fine with restrictions placed on dog ownership. I've said that one death due to a dog attack is too many.

    I guess you see what you want to see. Peace.

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    Pit bulls are a bad breed. I love most dogs and will pet most of them. No chance of me walking up and petting this breed.

    And as a reminder for those of you that have seen my prior posts. My issue is not with dogs, yet dog owners.

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    The fear of Pit Bulls is because of their muscular body and strong jaws, I understand the fear of some. Because of their strength they can inflict more damage than many breeds and therefore can kill easier. I know people that own Pit Bulls, I've been around them, they never showed me any reason to fear them even though in the back of my mind I know what they can do. Would I allow my grandchildren around them? No, but that's true of many breeds. The worst breed of dog I've ever seen for unpredictability are Chihuahua. They also bite more often than any other breed.
    I tend to lean to the side of responsible ownership with all dogs, not just Pit Bulls.

    According to Canine Journal, in 2016, there were an estimated 78 million dogs in the U.S. 30+ breeds of dogs and mixes are incorrectly identified as “pit bulls”* in dog bite incidents, attributing the pit bull with an unfair and overstated number of incidents (*pit bull is not technically a dog breed; breeds that are commonly referred to as pit bulls in the U.S. are American Staffordshire Terrier, American Pit Bull Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, and American Bully)


    As to the gun or other ways of being killed vs dogs, I offer these stats from the same year:
    You have a 1 in 112,400 chance of dying from a dog bite or strike
    You are at more risk of dying from:
    Cataclysmic storm: 1 in 66,335
    Contact with hornets, wasps and bees: 1 in 63,225
    Air and space transport incidents: 1 in 9,821
    Firearm discharge: 1 in 6,905
    Choking from inhalation and ingestion of food: 1 in 3,461
    Heart disease and cancer: 1 in 7

    The top 10 dogs with the strongest bite in terms of PSI (pound per square inch or pound-force per square inch), as reported by PetComments.com.

    Kangal: Bite Force – 743 PSI
    English Mastiff: Bite Force – 556 PSI
    Wolfdog: Bite Force – 406 PSI
    Rottweiler: Bite Force – 328 PSI
    African Wild Dog: Bite Force – 317 PSI
    American Bull Dog: Bite Force – 305 PSI
    Doberman: Bite Force – 245 PSI
    German Shepherd: Bite Force – 238 PSI
    American Pitbull: Bite Force – 235 PSI
    Dutch Shepherd: Bite Force – 224 PSI
    Chow Chow: Bite Force – 220 PSI
    Malinois: Bite Force – 195 PSI

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    Kangal breed, I had to to google because never heard of it. Some of those things are huge.

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    @Run To State are your stats saying 1 in every 7 humans will die of heart disease or cancer this year? Or could you please clarify how to read those numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TAC View Post
    @Run To State are your stats saying 1 in every 7 humans will die of heart disease or cancer this year? Or could you please clarify how to read those numbers.
    No, if the odds of dying from all these possible causes are 1 in 1, these are the lifetime odds of death for the selected causes, from lest likely to most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by All Blue View Post
    Kangal breed, I had to to google because never heard of it. Some of those things are huge.
    They are huge. They were bred to protect sheep and other flocks against bigger predators such as wolves, jackals, and even bears.

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    This thread has been thoroughly entertaining.

    I'm not sure what the actual debate is?

    My neighborhood association doesn't allow pitbulls. I knew that when I moved there. Frankly, I liked the idea of pitbulls not being allowed...

    If a town decides they want to ban new pitbulls (they would have to grandfather) then I would think that is fine. That's what democracy is all about.

    "Should" these things happen? I don't know. But I don't get what the actual debate is?

    To me it's beyond obvious that Pitbulls are more dangerous (but still not very dangerous) than any other dog. So if people what to feel comfortable and create regulations around pitbulls/dogs then I don't see why that's a problem?

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    We had to put down our beloved Shiba last February after 16 years. We went about 6 months before we decided it was time to get another dog. We went the rescue route and started researching available dogs thru multiple rescues. The amount of pit bulls and pit mixes that are available thru local rescue organizations is astounding.

    I was determined to not get a pit or pit mix. I love the look of the breed and am a strong believer that 99% of the issue is on the owners not the dogs but with so many dogs available via rescue why take the risk.

    We found a pup online that matched our criteria, something that was around 50 lbs as an adult, active and athletic enough to go hiking and backpacking with us and of course very cute. Rescue advertised the pup as a hound mix.

    We adopted the pup and after about a month decided to do the DNA test just for giggles. DNA test came back as 50% American Staffordshire Terrier (pit bull), 12.5% Weimaraner, 12.5% Lab and 25% Unknown with majority of Hound markers.

    So basically we adopted a pit bull even though that cute, fuzzy 5 month old pup did not look like a pit. However as he has matured that pup has developed that strong chest and physique of the the pit bull.

    When we shared the DNA results with our vet along with our concerns for the pit reputation he said the AmStaff is the pit bull with 100 years of breeding the aggressiveness out and that he would be more concerned with the Weimaraner portion of the dog as they are nervous dogs known to bite without provocation.

    My pup has never shown any inclination to bite or be aggressive but I must admit my antennae are up in any social settings due to the reputation of the breeds involved and the fact that he is a 50 lbs of sculpted muscle. WE have been thru 2 rounds of obedience class and are regulars at the dog parks and doggie day care for socialization. We do all introductions inside and outside of our home slowly and control the intro as much as possible.

    We have boarded him at the same place we take him to doggie day care and the staff absolutely loves him. Immediately runs into the facility and jumps into their laps and starts covering them in doggie kisses. Not an easy task when you are 50 lbs of dog.

    So the moral of my very long story is that I can see both sides.

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