A question to the private school supporters.

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    A question to the private school supporters.

    First of all I'm personally against Prop 20. I want my team to compete against the best for a championship.

    However I've had a question that I've avoided up until this point. Why wouldn't the Private Schools support prop 20?

    Personally as I see it Kentucky doesn't even have a state championship anyway. We have four class championships and we're forced to assume who is the best. I'm against classes, I think they hinder the ability of small schools to "show what they got". So in my perfect world there wouldn't be classes. How is prop 20 much different than what we already have in existance. The Privates will still be able to play the publics during the regular season. They just don't get the oppritunity to beat the 1/4th of the Kentucky public schools in the tournament that they got to beat before.

    Yes I assume St X, Trinity, and other private schools will no longer have to play district schedules. I wonder if that is a disservice to them or not? I would think that would allow them to schedule like Notre Dame and get all the big games and big tickets. I'm trying to grasp why they are so against the policy, it seems to me that prop 20 would probably end up propping those schools to even higher levels than they already are. As it stands today I have heard some X and T people say that the X and T game are more important than winning the championship. Doesn't prop 20 allow them to have more experiances like X and T games or playing major national high school programs?

    Again let me say that I'd rather every team play for one championship, but I would like to hear why it is that the privates are so against a policy that, from my point of view, will elevate thier status. Does St X really need feel they are losing something replacing Iroquois with Moeller?
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    Shhhhhudap!

    But seriously, I think a lot of it is community oriented. That's kind of the reason I'm against prop 20... some of those games are classics, and there is a lot of history that goes with them. Dividing them is like saying 'goodbye' to that whole community and history. Just kind of my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ram2003
    Shhhhhudap!

    But seriously, I think a lot of it is community oriented. That's kind of the reason I'm against prop 20... some of those games are classics, and there is a lot of history that goes with them. Dividing them is like saying 'goodbye' to that whole community and history. Just kind of my opinion.
    What makes you think that Manual or Male won't want to enjoy a St X or Trinity ticket draw?

    Area schools will still want to play area schools. The only difference is that St X or Trinity would now be the same to us as a Danville or Highlands, schools of a different class that we won't see in the playoffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RowdyRedRam
    Trinity would now be the same to us as a Danville or Highlands, schools of a different class that we won't see in the playoffs.
    Who is us (if you don't mind me asking)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RowdyRedRam
    First of all I'm personally against Prop 20. I want my team to compete against the best for a championship.

    However I've had a question that I've avoided up until this point. Why wouldn't the Private Schools support prop 20?

    Personally as I see it Kentucky doesn't even have a state championship anyway. We have four class championships and we're forced to assume who is the best. I'm against classes, I think they hinder the ability of small schools to "show what they got". So in my perfect world there wouldn't be classes. How is prop 20 much different than what we already have in existance. The Privates will still be able to play the publics during the regular season. They just don't get the oppritunity to beat the 1/4th of the Kentucky public schools in the tournament that they got to beat before.

    Yes I assume St X, Trinity, and other private schools will no longer have to play district schedules. I wonder if that is a disservice to them or not? I would think that would allow them to schedule like Notre Dame and get all the big games and big tickets. I'm trying to grasp why they are so against the policy, it seems to me that prop 20 would probably end up propping those schools to even higher levels than they already are. As it stands today I have heard some X and T people say that the X and T game are more important than winning the championship. Doesn't prop 20 allow them to have more experiances like X and T games or playing major national high school programs?

    Again let me say that I'd rather every team play for one championship, but I would like to hear why it is that the privates are so against a policy that, from my point of view, will elevate thier status. Does St X really need feel they are losing something replacing Iroquois with Moeller?

    There is something to be said for crosstown rivalries between schools that have lasted for years. I will admit after all is said and done, if this indeed makes it through the red tape, I will miss pounding the bejezus out of Ballard and Eastern. I will miss our rivalry with Manual, I will miss those tight games with teams from out in the state. There is something to be said about being from KENTUCKY and being a member of the KHSAA competing for a state championship against other schools from Kentucky. Now yes I admit all the other private schools are from KY too but answer me this.... If you're looking for fair, how much more fair is it for Trinity or St.x to play LCC, CAL, KCD, NCC, Louisville Holy Cross or DeSales than it is for us to play Ballard, Male, Manual, Eastern, Shelby County or Oldham County? As much as people gripe about an "unlevel playing field" things are a whole lot more level with 4A public and private schools than if the big privates had to play the small privates.

    Sure it is fair for the big publics who no longer have to face "Big Bad Trinity and St.X" but no one seems to give a rat about the small private schools that will suffer horrendously for such a vote. Trinity and our comrades at St. X will survive athletically. My heart goes out to those smaller schools that will get trampled in the process because some people are out for themselves and never stop to think about the smaller schools that never receive the same amount of publicity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Three Lions
    Who is us (if you don't mind me asking)?

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    I support Manual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RowdyRedRam
    What makes you think that Manual or Male won't want to enjoy a St X or Trinity ticket draw?

    What makes you think that Trinity or St.X would want to play either team knowing that they voted to kick us out? You think that we'll just say "Oh schucks, they want our gate but not to play us in the playoffs. Why the heck not?" You better believe there is some seriously bad blood between the JCPS, ALL OF THEM, and the Catholic schools now.

    I have been in a public school student teaching these last few months. I know what has been going on behind closed doors. The victimhood mentality of the public schools disgusts me. I have never been anti-public, but the events of the last few months at deliberately discriminating against private schools has made me question my stance on the morality of such organizations. I have nothing but disdain for the JCPS, many of the people that I work with at my current school feel the same, the rest of the state I don't know about yet. Either way this will not go unforgiven by many private school supporters for some time. Whether it matters to you people or not is irrelevant to me, I am just stating my opinion on it plain and simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RowdyRedRam
    I support Manual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PepRock01
    There is something to be said for crosstown rivalries between schools that have lasted for years. I will admit after all is said and done, if this indeed makes it through the red tape, I will miss pounding the bejezus out of Ballard and Eastern. I will miss our rivalry with Manual, I will miss those tight games with teams from out in the state. There is something to be said about being from KENTUCKY and being a member of the KHSAA competing for a state championship against other schools from Kentucky. Now yes I admit all the other private schools are from KY too but answer me this.... If you're looking for fair, how much more fair is it for Trinity or St.x to play LCC, CAL, KCD, NCC, Louisville Holy Cross or DeSales than it is for us to play Ballard, Male, Manual, Eastern, Shelby County or Oldham County? As much as people gripe about an "unlevel playing field" things are a whole lot more level with 4A public and private schools than if the big privates had to play the small privates.

    Sure it is fair for the big publics who no longer have to face "Big Bad Trinity and St.X" but no one seems to give a rat about the small private schools that will suffer horrendously for such a vote. Trinity and our comrades at St. X will survive athletically. My heart goes out to those smaller schools that will get trampled in the process because some people are out for themselves and never stop to think about the smaller schools that never receive the same amount of publicity.
    Is it guarenteed that these WON'T play each other? The Prop is just for playoffs as I understand it. Like I ask ram2003 why wouldn't some of the more competitive public schools want to avoid the ticket draws of Trinty and St X?

    About the smaller schools, how is there situation any different than it is today. Only a handful of those schools compete for championships anyhow. What difference is it to lose in the first round to Danville vs losing to StX? I really don't see how they are being hurt or are any worse off than they were before hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RowdyRedRam
    Is it guarenteed that these WON'T play each other? The Prop is just for playoffs as I understand it. Like I ask ram2003 why wouldn't some of the more competitive public schools want to avoid the ticket draws of Trinty and St X?

    About the smaller schools, how is there situation any different than it is today. Only a handful of those schools compete for championships anyhow. What difference is it to lose in the first round to Danville vs losing to StX? I really don't see how they are being hurt or are any worse off than they were before hand.

    Methinks my horned friend has misrepresented his knowledge of 1A football here. In 2004 the HC Cougars played state runner-up in 1A(Danville) down to the wire in the semi-finals.

    In 2003 Holy Cross was one play away, had they punted it instead of going for it on 4th and 1, from being in the state game against Beechwood. There is every chance they would have won that one too.

    There is a big difference as they have a fighting chance against Danville, can't say the same against the Big 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RowdyRedRam
    Is it guarenteed that these WON'T play each other? The Prop is just for playoffs as I understand it. Like I ask ram2003 why wouldn't some of the more competitive public schools want to avoid the ticket draws of Trinty and St X?

    See post 7.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PepRock01
    What makes you think that Trinity or St.X would want to play either team knowing that they voted to kick us out?
    That would be the private school's choice to do so if they feel that is in thier interest. That would be out of spite and I question whether it would be good for the private schools to do so.

    Again I'm against multiple championships, but I see the real difference that prop 20 makes is that it divides the state to have more champions. So if St X and Male want to discontinue ther longstanding rivalry it won't be because of prop 20 it would be out of reaction to prop 20.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RowdyRedRam
    That would be the private school's choice to do so if they feel that is in thier interest. That would be out of spite and I question whether it would be good for the private schools to do so.

    Again I'm against multiple championships, but I see the real difference that prop 20 makes is that it divides the state to have more champions. So if St X and Male want to discontinue ther longstanding rivalry it won't be because of prop 20 it would be out of reaction to prop 20.

    Well I hope you enjoy your championship that doesn't go through St. X, maybe you'll finally win one for the first time in about 40 some years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PepRock01
    There is a big difference as they have a fighting chance against Danville, can't say the same against the Big 2.
    So what can we do to give Iroquios a fighting chance? I'm not say that to be a jerk but to point out that we aren't going to find fair any way we look at the situation. Like I said I'm against classes to begin with, I think the champion should be the best team regardless of any advantages they might or might not have. Prop 20 just further extends the absurdity of trying to make "fair" championships.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RowdyRedRam
    So what can we do to give Iroquios a fighting chance? I'm not say that to be a jerk but to point out that we aren't going to find fair any way we look at the situation. Like I said I'm against classes to begin with, I think the champion should be the best team regardless of any advantages they might or might not have. Prop 20 just further extends the absurdity of trying to make "fair" championships.

    They can choose to not play a district schedule, there is a school that is supposed the be in Highlands district that isn't playing one for similar reasons.

    My complaint is this, if you have such problems with making sham championships, then why in the world aren't you even more infuriated about this than we are?

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