5 of the 8 State Finalist are Private. Does Propostion 20 hold water?

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    Quote Originally Posted by onetoya
    WE get the "Same State funds based on our tax base" and "WE get assessed on the SAME test" any questions???

    Man state funds and tuition... must be nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by onetoya
    I am Informed and that comment is off the hook

    INDEPENDENTS are nothing more than independent of their County School District.

    Man If somebody wants to agrue that a Public has an advantage over a Public were ALL screwed up
    Onetoya,

    I think the core debate on independent schools (at least in NKY) is that they are like private schools in that they accept students from outside their "city" boundaries and that those students pay tuition.

    They (independent schools) can and do run ads etc. promoting their schools and encouraging families/students to attend. There is nothing wrong with that and many families that are alums do choose to pay tuition and send students to a school in a city where they do not reside. Or they may desire to send their student to an independent school not in their city for various other reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DELTA Rotary
    Man state funds and tuition... must be nice.
    People who choose to drink bottled water don't complain because the water company doesn't buy it for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by H
    People who choose to drink bottled water don't complain because the water company doesn't buy it for them.
    They also don't pay other peoples water bill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onetoya
    Sometimes "Cities" will have a more diverse population, but that is where it stops. I don't hear Boyle County, or Bell County complaining about the Independents....We follow the SAME rules as the other Public Schools. I just think that some people put WAY to much into Independent because we're the same like it or not :argue:
    Private schools follow the same rules also. There is absolutly no difference between Rose Hill and the public schools in the 64th district. With the exception that Rose Hill students pay tuition and Rose Hill get zero state funding. Public schools in our area can take kids from anywhere and even hand pick the athletes from the Ramey Home. I'm still waiting for someone to tell me what advantage a private school has over a public school that has open enrollment.

    The more I think about it the more I am convienced that the independent schools must have an advantage. Russell and Ashland dominate the football landscape in NE KY. Belfry in the SE part of the state. How is that? Not to mention Danville, Beechwood, and Mayfield. I say the KHSAA should seperate public, indenpendent, and private. Think about it then everyone would get a trophy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoBigRed
    Ok, let me clarify, MOST of the states in this country,
    Actually I wouldn't say most because many states do not have that large of a private school base.

    There is a thread on here from the Dayton Daily News that had how each state conducts its football playoffs and it was quite interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onetoya
    For every none district student we except we MUST also except their State CATS test scores. The point behind my post is that "WE" will not keep kids that do produce academically. Plus the reciprocal agreement only applies to surrounding school districts in state :sleep: Any others WILL pay PERIOD.

    Now to answer your "sounds like a PRIVATE school" comment. "WE" do not offer housing or finicial aid. In other words you private guys have the best of both worlds...Can offer "equal" aid and have ZERO testing accountability.
    If we are going to discuss this topic, at a minimum we should be accurate with facts. Your allegation that private schools have the best of both worlds-a lack of accountability in testing and housing and financial aid that equals what public schools provide is off base. To answer your allegations in reverse order:
    When you lump "private schools" together as offering housing and financial aid that equals out to what public schools provide you badly miss the mark. In Jefferson County there are a large number of "private schools" -St. X., Trinity, Holy Cross, DeSales, Presentation, Sacred Heart, Assumption, Christian Academy, Portland Christian, Mercy, and others perhaps I overlooked. None of these schools offer housing. None of the Catholics offer more than one half of the tuition and this is done on a needs based formula with analysis of finances done by an out-of-state corporation. Athletic ability is not considered, and the absolute minimum tuition, including financial assistance that any student is going to pay at any Catholic school in Jefferson County is $3000. An amount of tuition this small would be extremely rare. Now, that compares with zero dollars to be paid by a student attending a public school. "Private schools" therefore do not all provide housing and financial aid that equals what public schools provide. The closest Catholics in Jefferson County come in a comparison of expenditures for the individual student with public schools in Jefferson County is a $3000 deficit.

    Catholic schools in Jefferson County generally are accused of being educationally elite. Your allegation that somehow "private schools" disregard test scores and take in academically unqualified athletes flies in the face of reality in Jefferson County. For example, St. Xavier has four national merit scholars on this year's top-ranked football team. I venture to say that few, if any, school’s football teams in Kentucky can match this academic achievement. All players are monitored for academic progress. If you check the KHSAA athletic/academic requirements and the same St. Xavier athletic/academic requirements (I have) you will find that the St. Xavier requirements are considerably more stringent. Lumping all "private schools" together as organizations that cut corners to field superior athletic teams is flatly false. I don't object to criticism of private schools or Catholic schools (although I don't understand it). I do object to criticism of these schools if the criticism is based on falsehoods or misunderstandings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LSURock
    A similar number in reverse usually exists in the sweet sixteen. How does that happen? Why no talk over the years of public school domination in basketball?
    This is an easy question to answer: consider how many more public schools there are than private in the state of KY. So, it makes sense from a percentages standpoint that a large proportion of the Sweet 16 teams (and state football finals teams, for that matter) are public school teams.

    In my opinion, the fact that 5 of the 8 finalists are private schools should raise some eyebrows. Given how relatively few private schools there are compared to public schools in this state, and how big a deal HS football is statewide (this isn't golf or swimming), 5 of 8 is staggering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbwill2
    This is an easy question to answer: consider how many more public schools there are than private in the state of KY. So, it makes sense from a percentages standpoint that a large proportion of the Sweet 16 teams (and state football finals teams, for that matter) are public school teams.

    In my opinion, the fact that 5 of the 8 finalists are private schools should raise some eyebrows. Given how relatively few private schools there are compared to public schools in this state, and how big a deal HS football is statewide (this isn't golf or swimming), 5 of 8 is staggering.
    How many private schools compete in football? If 40 of the 48 play football that would be 5 out of 40 schools or 12.5% of the private schools playing football made the championship game.

    How many public schools compete in football? If 220 of the approximate 240 public schools play football, that is 1.4% of the public schools playing football made the championship game.

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    I saw a cartoon one time. It showed an announcer booth at a football game. The announcer is saying "Notre Dame is really going to need a great play to pull this one out". There is a hand that appears in the sky diagramming a play on the clouds.

    Before anyone gets their drawers in a bunch, it's a joke.

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    Boy oh Boy, Hard work really does pay off and complaining instead of changing your habits really doesn't. I love it. I hope there is 25,00 at the Friday game and 15,000 combined the next day. I hope it is a clean sweep. The privates are outnumbered and have no say so I guess it is best to say it on the turf this weekend at the Pizza Box.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ladiesbballcoach
    How many private schools compete in football? If 40 of the 48 play football that would be 5 out of 40 schools or 12.5% of the private schools playing football made the championship game.

    How many public schools compete in football? If 220 of the approximate 240 public schools play football, that is 1.4% of the public schools playing football made the championship game.
    How did it look last year? How about the year before that? Care to share???

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    Quote Originally Posted by TigerKat
    Boy oh Boy, Hard work really does pay off and complaining instead of changing your habits really doesn't. I love it. I hope there is 25,00 at the Friday game and 15,000 combined the next day. I hope it is a clean sweep. The privates are outnumbered and have no say so I guess it is best to say it on the turf this weekend at the Pizza Box.

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    Did some research from the KHSAA website. These are fairly accurate but some schools I did not count either way because I was not 100% sure of their classifications. Apollo, Iroquois, Fort Campbell, I thought were public schools.

    A 46 publics, 1 state finalists, 2%. 5 privates 1 state finalists, 20%
    AA 48 publics, 1 state finalists, 2%. 3 privates 1 state finalists, 33%
    AAA 51 publics, 1 state finalists, 1.9%. 2 privates 1 state finalists, 50%
    AAAA 51 publics, 0 state finalists, 0% 2 privates 2 state finalists, 100%

    Approximately 200 public schools compete in football and they fielded 3 state finalists for 1.5%.
    By my count, there are 12 private schools that fielded football teams and they have 5 finalists for 41.7%.
    (My count had A Holy Cross(Cov), Kentucky Country Day, Holy Cross(L), Newport Catholic and Lex Christian; AA Owensboro Catholic, CAL, DeSales; AAA Cov Cath and Lex Cath; AAAA St. X and Trinity. Please point out any schools I missed and I will correct my figures.)

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