"Unprecedented" penalties against Penn State

Originally Posted by CoachBuckett

Do you really think PSU will find kids to go there? I truly think there is no way they can recruit kids to go to PSU for the next 4-5 years. Why would kids want to go?

They'll probably still pull in players better than the ones UK has playing in the SEC.

Originally Posted by CoachBuckett

Do you really think PSU will find kids to go there? I truly think there is no way they can recruit kids to go to PSU for the next 4-5 years. Why would kids want to go?

A free ride in the Big 10 and plenty of playing time. Do you find what Vandy and UK put on the field in the SEC just as dangerous???

Originally Posted by CoachBuckett

Do you really think PSU will find kids to go there? I truly think there is no way they can recruit kids to go to PSU for the next 4-5 years. Why would kids want to go?

Especially with so few scholarships to deliver. I wonder what the over/under is for total wins for the next 5 years? I am setting it at 21. Talk about no coaching pressure.

Now that this is over, I am hoping Penn State can climb their way back to the top. We are America and love a good success story.

Originally Posted by PurplePride92

They'll probably still pull in players better than the ones UK has playing in the SEC.

Which is saying nothing.

Originally Posted by PurplePride92

So the Freeh report carries no weight with you?


What should the NCAA have done?

The NCAA, should have waited for all criminal and civil proceedings. Then, they should have levied their penalty. I say thus for 2 reasons. A. The NCAA should be there to govern the field of sportsmanship and allow the courts to levy fines for civil lawsuits. What the NCAA has done is levied punitive damages, but who gets the 60 million? The NCAA or the victims? U mean, will victims funds get all of it? I want to see an accounting when all funds are handed out. How will this affect the recovery of the victims when they get their day in civil court? I hope that it doesn't reduce what they could recover
2. This was not a cover up by the University, but rather four men who have been identified and will do jail time and pay damages. The NCAA should have waited to see the severity of those fines and sentences

Originally Posted by bugatti

Which is saying nothing.

And why I'm not buying the argument that they won't be able to find players capable of playing Big10 football. They'll be all right.

Originally Posted by mexitucky

The NCAA, should have waited for all criminal and civil proceedings. Then, they should have levied their penalty. I say thus for 2 reasons. A. The NCAA should be there to govern the field of sportsmanship and allow the courts to levy fines for civil lawsuits. What the NCAA has done is levied punitive damages, but who gets the 60 million? The NCAA or the victims? U mean, will victims funds get all of it? I want to see an accounting when all funds are handed out. How will this affect the recovery of the victims when they get their day in civil court? I hope that it doesn't reduce what they could recover
2. This was not a cover up by the University, but rather four men who have been identified and will do jail time and pay damages. The NCAA should have waited to see the severity of those fines and sentences

The 60 million goes to creating a child abuse awareness charity if I am not mistaken. It's my understanding the NCAA doesn't get that money.

If the NCAA was wrong then why did Penn State agree to the penalties? They could have fought it if they felt it was unjust.

If the NCAA wants to take away the wins, I'm fine with it. The bowl ban? Maybe, but not on board with it. The scholarship reductions to gut (and punish) the program are ridiculous.

This isn't an NCAA matter. It is one for the criminal and civil court system. My contention is that the NCAA is overstepping its bounds here.

Originally Posted by westsider

If the NCAA wants to take away the wins, I'm fine with it. The bowl ban? Maybe, but not on board with it. The scholarship reductions to gut (and punish) the program are ridiculous.

This isn't an NCAA matter. It is one for the criminal and civil court system. My contention is that the NCAA is overstepping its bounds here.

Clearly it is. Actually, it couldn't be more clear.

Originally Posted by Crash Davis

Clearly it is. Actually, it couldn't be more clear.

I couldn't agree more.

Originally Posted by PurplePride92

The 60 million goes to creating a child abuse awareness charity if I am not mistaken. It's my understanding the NCAA doesn't get that money.

If the NCAA was wrong then why did Penn State agree to the penalties? They could have fought it if they felt it was unjust.

If they fought it, the NCAA was likely dropping the death penalty (possibly up to 4 years) on them.

Originally Posted by Crash Davis

Clearly it is. Actually, it couldn't be more clear.

Why? Do you think the NCAA should (and has in the past) penalize "unethical" behavior, or do you think this provided an unfair advantage for PSU football?

If the former, then where are the NCAA sanctions against Arkansas. If the latter, what advantage did PSU gain?

Serious questions.

Originally Posted by Crash Davis

Clearly it is. Actually, it couldn't be more clear.

The result is clear-cut justice. The process is about as clear as mud.

Originally Posted by Getslow

The result is clear-cut justice. The process is about as clear as mud.

And here in lies the problem, where does the NCAA get the power to level justice? The NCAA is there to ensure athletic fairness, not play district court. What does thus set precedent for? Don't cover up child abuse or this us what you get??? I mean, is this likely to occur again?

It was the head coach of the football team that plays in NCAA sanctioned events that was covering up child molestation by one of his assistants that happened in his showers in his locker room. How can the NCAA NOT be involved in the punishment?

Originally Posted by mobaar

Why? Do you think the NCAA should (and has in the past) penalize "unethical" behavior, or do you think this provided an unfair advantage for PSU football?

If the former, then where are the NCAA sanctions against Arkansas. If the latter, what advantage did PSU gain?

Serious questions.

It has nothing to do with what I think. It's clear because they just dropped the hammer on the football program. They are the governing body, so they governed. Clearly, they didn't feel a need to get involved in other situations but there also hasn't been this big of a cover up, ever.

Ever....

Originally Posted by gametime

A free ride in the Big 10 and plenty of playing time. Do you find what Vandy and UK put on the field in the SEC just as dangerous???

I am not sure they will be able to sign kids at that level.

I look for every Freshman and Sophmore to leave. I look for most juniors to leave. Seniors will stay and win 8 games next season.

The lack of 40 kids is like Hiring Steve Kragthorpe at UL. He removed 40 kids. Difference they play in the B10.

Originally Posted by mexitucky

And here in lies the problem, where does the NCAA get the power to level justice? The NCAA is there to ensure athletic fairness, not play district court. What does thus set precedent for? Don't cover up child abuse or this us what you get??? I mean, is this likely to occur again?

Is this likely to occur again? No. But that's part of my problem with this. The NCAA put the hammer on people who covered for child molesters. Good for them. Needed to be done. But they did NOTHING to change the culture that they help prop up that led to that cover-up in the first place.

Originally Posted by CoachBuckett

I am not sure they will be able to sign kids at that level.

I look for every Freshman and Sophmore to leave. I look for most juniors to leave. Seniors will stay and win 8 games next season.

The lack of 40 kids is like Hiring Steve Kragthorpe at UL. He removed 40 kids. Difference they play in the B10.

They will have 65 scholarship players every year. NFL roster? 53. They will be fine...