"Unprecedented" penalties against Penn State

Originally Posted by Voice of Reason

This link has the letter from Emmert to Penn State and outlines how the NCAA is approaching this situation, using Bylaw 10.1 and lack of institutional control.

http://www.psu.edu/ur/2011/NCAA.pdf

I still think they are in a very gray area even for the NCAA and it may come back to bite them. However, Penn State may realize that they are in a lose lose position on this and just accept the penalties the NCAA throws at them. If those penalties are unprecedented like is being mentioned, Penn State may fight back and I think they have some strong arguments they can make.

It's not a grey area at all, IMO. It clearly violates Bylaw 10.1 and anyone who thinks differently simply doesn't know what they're talking about or clearly dislikes the NCAA.

Change name.

Penn State Nittney Liars

Originally Posted by dmderringer10

It's not a grey area at all, IMO. It clearly violates Bylaw 10.1 and anyone who thinks differently simply doesn't know what they're talking about or clearly dislikes the NCAA.

If the link below is accurate, it contains Bylaw 10.1. Please read it closely and tell me what part of it Penn State violated.

https://admin.xosn.com/fls/600/acade...?DB_OEM_ID=600

In addition, it clearly states unethical contact pertains to violations of NCAA rules. What NCAA rule did Penn State violate?

Here is a newspaper article quoting a couple of NCAA experts that say pretty much what I have been saying.

Compliance expert: NCAA sanctions unlikely for Lions - AltoonaMirror.com - Altoona, PA | News, Sports, Jobs, Community Information - The Altoona Mirror

Originally Posted by SSC

Could be the trigger that makes schools finally step away from the NCAA

For the NCAA to do anything less than what they propose would be a public relations nightmare. Schools, regardless of how big their programs are, who propose leaving the NCAA over tough sanctions against PSU, would face the same.

I don't believe this is a "draw a line in the sand" issue, if that is what you are getting at.

I hope all good players go to Notre Dame if they transfer.

I couldn't tell you if this is real or not but I saw this on facebook. Seems unfathomably harsh.

https://twitter.com/TurningP2011/sta.../photo/1/large

Originally Posted by Blue Magic

I couldn't tell you if this is real or not but I saw this on facebook. Seems unfathomably harsh.

https://twitter.com/TurningP2011/sta.../photo/1/large

While it will be harsh, that would make Penn State a high school team. I doubt it's real.

Originally Posted by D-Rob

While it will be harsh, that would make Penn State a high school team. I doubt it's real.

All I had to look at were numbers 9 and 10 to see this wasn't real.

Originally Posted by Voice of Reason

If the link below is accurate, it contains Bylaw 10.1. Please read it closely and tell me what part of it Penn State violated.

https://admin.xosn.com/fls/600/acade...?DB_OEM_ID=600

In addition, it clearly states unethical contact pertains to violations of NCAA rules. What NCAA rule did Penn State violate?

Here is a newspaper article quoting a couple of NCAA experts that say pretty much what I have been saying.

Compliance expert: NCAA sanctions unlikely for Lions - AltoonaMirror.com - Altoona, PA | News, Sports, Jobs, Community Information - The Altoona Mirror

The Bylaw clearly says, it may include those things, but it is not limited to that.

Please tell me how it was not unethical conduct?

Penn State gets four year bowl ban.

Vacates all wins from 1998-2011. Paterno is no longer the all time leader in wins. (Bravo NCAA) He lost 111 wins. Now sits at 298.

Fined $60 Million.

Lost 10 initial and 20 total scholarships per year for 4 years

Players can transfer immediately.

Didn't see the wins being vacated coming. But I can agree with it.

5 year probation and lose 20 scholarships over a four year period I believe also.

Originally Posted by HammerTime

Penn State gets four year bowl ban.

Vacates all wins from 1998-2001. Paterno is no longer the all time leader in wins. (Bravo NCAA)

Fined $60 Million.

Loss of 10 scholarships per year for the 4 years.

Players can transfer immediately.

Wasn't it from 98 to 2011?

Originally Posted by CincySportsFan

Wasn't it from 98 to 2011?

Correct, typo.

Folks, don't elevate your sports programs above everything else.

Is this worse than the death penalty?

Will be interesting to see (and I'm sure it won't be publicized) how much of a hit the other athletic programs at Penn State take in order for them to pay the $60 million fine.

The NCAA promised the hammer and they dropped it. Weird to say, but great job NCAA. Finally didn't drop the ball on something.

Good night Penn St Football...See you again in 10-15 years

Originally Posted by DragonFire

The NCAA promised the hammer and they dropped it. Weird to say, but great job NCAA. Finally didn't drop the ball on something.

Agreed. I actually like what they did. Especially allowing the players to still play (whether at Penn State or elsewhere).