Take Down The Statue

Guys, all the rules change when there are children involved.

Originally Posted by mountain ref

It was a knee jerk reaction to the public opinion and not having a backbone to say wait until everything comes out. Sure it's a business, what school isn't.

Enrollment doesn't wait until everything comes out. Neither did Penn State. It was a good call anyway.

Originally Posted by Colonels_Wear_Blue

Enrollment doesn't wait until everything comes out. Neither did Penn State. It was a good call anyway.

I don't disagree with the reason or decison, it's bowing to pressure, I don't do that.

Originally Posted by mountain ref

I don't disagree with the reason or decison, it's bowing to pressure, I don't do that.

Or maybe PSU didn't want to deal with people trying to vandalize it fighting with people trying to protect it. They've dealt with enough already and if the statue is a lightning rod to controversy and hard feelings then it should be removed.

Originally Posted by mountain ref

I don't disagree with the reason or decison, it's bowing to pressure, I don't do that.

Think about it this way. Penn State has to sell their institution every day. They and every other college needs to put their best foot forward for every person that walks their campus. If you walk the campus or walk into a football game and see that statue, what do you think right now? Is there anything positive for the university in having that statue up? I don't think so. Put all the moral arguments to the side and just think about the marketing side and it is a pretty easy decision.

Anybody that is upset that the Paterno statue is being taken down, should just look the other way and pretend that nothing is happening. That's what Joe did.

Originally Posted by Voice of Reason

Think about it this way. Penn State has to sell their institution every day. They and every other college needs to put their best foot forward for every person that walks their campus. If you walk the campus or walk into a football game and see that statue, what do you think right now? Is there anything positive for the university in having that statue up? I don't think so. Put all the moral arguments to the side and just think about the marketing side and it is a pretty easy decision.

I completely agree and that's what many still do not realize. This has not only affected the football program; it's affected everything to do with the school and its community. If moving on, rebuilding, and anything else associated with change, I believe that Penn State needs to be completely separated from anything to do with Paterno, Sandusky, Spannier, and others. If not, there's no way of moving on.

Originally Posted by Irish Cat

Anybody that is upset that the Paterno statue is being taken down, should just look the other way and pretend that nothing is happening. That's what Joe did.

And that is the legacy of the statue. There is no way anybody could look at it and not relate it to the scandal. It had to go.

Originally Posted by Irish Cat

Anybody that is upset that the Paterno statue is being taken down, should just look the other way and pretend that nothing is happening. That's what Joe did.

Irish Cat, I am a fan.

One of the guys I worked with posed this question.

Does the Big Ten keep Penn State as a member?

Hadn't really thought about it till now.

Originally Posted by coldweatherfan

One of the guys I worked with posed this question.

Does the Big Ten keep Penn State as a member?

Hadn't really thought about it till now.

They absolutely will. It's tough enough punishing the people that had nothing to do with it in the football program but then you'd be punishing all sports.

Did a little looking around. Apparently it is at least being discussed.

Report: Big Ten could kick out Penn State; Jim Delany could get power to fire coaches | Other Colleges | Detroit Free Press | freep.com

There are also a couple of articles saying no way it happens.

I am not in favor of giving Conference Commissioners that type of authority.

Originally Posted by bugatti

I am not in favor of giving Conference Commissioners that type of authority.

You don't want those in charge of the conference to approve who is in their conference?

Originally Posted by plantmanky

You don't want those in charge of the conference to approve who is in their conference?

As far as firing coaches, no I am not.

Originally Posted by bugatti

I am not in favor of giving Conference Commissioners that type of authority.

Agreed. Can't have a conference commish firing coaches, especially if they aren't doing the hiring, too.

Originally Posted by Crash Davis

They absolutely will. It's tough enough punishing the people that had nothing to do with it in the football program but then you'd be punishing all sports.

I understand what you're saying about punishing the inocent.

I guess I would ask, "Is Penn St a liability to the Big Ten?" "Do they tarnish other Big Ten schools?" "If the belief is that they tarnish the Big Ten and it's members, aren't you punishing inocent people by not kicking them out?"

I haven't chosen a side on this yet, just asking questions.

Originally Posted by Crash Davis

Agreed. Can't have a conference commish firing coaches, especially if they aren't doing the hiring, too.

I wouldn't like that either.

Originally Posted by coldweatherfan

I understand what you're saying about punishing the inocent.

I guess I would ask, "Is Penn St a liability to the Big Ten?" "Do they tarnish other Big Ten schools?" "If the belief is that they tarnish the Big Ten and it's members, aren't you punishing inocent people by not kicking them out?"

I haven't chosen a side on this yet, just asking questions.

IMO, that's a stretch. Just my opinion.

Originally Posted by Crash Davis

IMO, that's a stretch. Just my opinion.

I don't disagree that it's a stretch.

Here's another one. "Are they a financial liability to the conference?" Who ever is playing them is probably not going to be televised. Meaning no TV revenue when you play PSU. As a member school, do you want to take that hit? We all know money rules.