Notre Dame’s Independent status

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    Quote Originally Posted by LIPTON BASH View Post
    I disagree on the one loss point. I think it was in 2015 ND was in the top 4 late into the season until they got their 2nd loss. This year would of been tough because of how teams on their schedule ended up finishing. But there are some years ND schedule finishes top 10 and they could get in with one loss.
    In 2015 they would have been jumped by 1 loss Michigan State after they won the Big 10. They would have been behind Alabama, Clemson, Oklahoma, and Michigan State.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrantNKY View Post
    When did I say it guarantees a spot? The only thing I’ve said is right now a 1 loss ND is guaranteed not to be in.
    But that's not necessarily true year in and year out. Again, if we only want to include conference champions, call it what it is. An invitational.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Run To State View Post
    Let's have a playoff that's isn't an invitational and we can have a real conversation.
    Like it or not this is the system we have. In this system whether you believe it’s fair or unfair, ND would be better served being in a conference. Is that fair? That’s not up to me to decide. All I know is not joining a conference when it would help you in your quest to win a national championship, is a textbook definition of stubborn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrantNKY View Post
    To put in bluntly, yes. Being in a conference is a HUGE advantage imo. Now some bad coaching hires certainly helped.
    You'd be wrong IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrantNKY View Post
    In 2015 they would have been jumped by 1 loss Michigan State after they won the Big 10. They would have been behind Alabama, Clemson, Oklahoma, and Michigan State.
    If I'm not mistaken wasn't Mich St. one loss to ND that year ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Run To State View Post
    But that's not necessarily true year in and year out. Again, if we only want to include conference champions, call it what it is. An invitational.
    When the committee clearly states that in the event of equal resumes (teams that play a power 5 schedule and have the same number of losses), conference championships are the tie breaker. So unless you have multiple 2 loss power 5 champs you have zero chance. And in the event of multiple 2 loss champs you still have to worry about a team like Alabama or Ohio State who may have 1 loss, but didn’t win their division. That’s who you’re comparing resumes with at that point. Then it comes down to strength of schedule, eye test, etc. I’m not sure what about this concept you don’t agree with. If losses are equal, ND is always going to be behind conference champions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LIPTON BASH View Post
    If I'm not mistaken wasn't Mich St. one loss to ND that year ?
    Nebraska.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrantNKY View Post
    Like it or not this is the system we have. In this system whether you believe it’s fair or unfair, ND would be better served being in a conference. Is that fair? That’s not up to me to decide. All I know is not joining a conference when it would help you in your quest to win a national championship, is a textbook definition of stubborn.
    All you're doing here is making a case for the current system to be scrapped. It's not guaranteeing the best team gets in. It needs to be 8 or 16 teams. This year, yes, Alabama looks like the best team. But until they do this thing right, it's a farce.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrantNKY View Post
    When the committee clearly states that in the event of equal resumes (teams that play a power 5 schedule and have the same number of losses), conference championships are the tie breaker. So unless you have multiple 2 loss power 5 champs you have zero chance. And in the event of multiple 2 loss champs you still have to worry about a team like Alabama or Ohio State who may have 1 loss, but didn’t win their division. That’s who you’re comparing resumes with at that point. Then it comes down to strength of schedule, eye test, etc. I’m not sure what about this concept you don’t agree with. If losses are equal, ND is always going to be behind conference champions.
    Again, this s another reason the system is flawed. Rigged if you prefer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Run To State View Post
    You'd be wrong IMO.
    Conference affiliation helps recruiting IMO. That’s why the SEC was so eager to add Texas A&M. That’s why the Pac 12 expanded east. That’s why West Virginia joined the Big 12. That’s why Maryland and Rutgers are in the Big 10 (TV also played a big part in these two but DMV and NJ are fertile recruiting grounds).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Run To State View Post
    All you're doing here is making a case for the current system to be scrapped. It's not guaranteeing the best team gets in. It needs to be 8 or 16 teams. This year, yes, Alabama looks like the best team. But until they do this thing right, it's a farce.
    Again I’m not arguing that point. I’m saying you have to work within the current system and if you don’t do things that benefit you in the current system then it’s foolish and irresponsible to your fans and players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Run To State View Post
    Let's have a playoff that's isn't an invitational and we can have a real conversation.
    If there was a true playoff, like at the lower levels of NCAA football...ND would still miss out. Only teams from the 10 conferences that have auto bids are included in the playoffs.

    So even if the FCS is expanded to 8 or 16 teams, it will still be an invitational...which is the only way ND can get in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Run To State View Post
    Again, this s another reason the system is flawed. Rigged if you prefer.
    Yet, if ND joined a conference they wouldn’t have to worry about a system being “rigged” against them.

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    Notre Dame TV contract is for $15,000,000 per year and they get about $5,000,000 in ACC TV money for other sports.
    SEC Teams got around $40,000,000 from the SEC for their share last year.
    Big Ten teams reportedly got close to $50,000,000 from their TV deals.

    So it's not really about the money staying independent, it's more about arrogance it seems...which is fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrantNKY View Post
    Conference affiliation helps recruiting IMO. That’s why the SEC was so eager to add Texas A&M. That’s why the Pac 12 expanded east. That’s why West Virginia joined the Big 12. That’s why Maryland and Rutgers are in the Big 10 (TV also played a big part in these two but DMV and NJ are fertile recruiting grounds).
    They seem to be doing fine now without being part of a conference.

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