Congratulations UK...

Originally Posted by Xtiger69

You know I am just kidding and having some fun with it right?

And I'm not???

And ever Penn State player during this time period just took a slap across the face. I understand the all time wins thing but why do this to the players?

Originally Posted by Blue Magic

I don't really get the vacated wins thing in this situation. Would someone that agrees with it explain why you agree?

I felt like you did until I heard someone on Cowherds show today. He stated that wins are taken away when a team gets a competitive or recruiting advantage due to the act or deed committed. As he explained it, the cover up started in 98, to protect the program. Had it came out in 98 that someone that close to Paterno and PSU football was having his way with boys in the showers, it would have damaged PSU's reputation and would have hurt recruiting and fund raising for the program. Hence by covering up the actions they did get an unfair competitive/recruiting advantage.

Originally Posted by Auxier RiverRat

And ever Penn State player during this time period just took a slap across the face. I understand the all time wins thing but why do this to the players?

Collateral damage.

Originally Posted by Blue Magic

I got that. But I just feel like wins should be taken away for cheating. Not necessarily an issue like this.

Originally Posted by sweet16

I guess I am in the minority. I agree with you on this one.

I agree as well. What happened was horrible but to me really had nothing to do with wins and loses. Although I do understand GT's point about the NCAA taking away the all time wins mark from Paterno.

Hard to justify having JoePa sitting as the all time winningest coach in FBS history.

Originally Posted by Bert

The problem with doing so it that the fact only remains on paper. While Bowden will "officially" be the winningest coach, everyone will know in reality Patreno has the most wins. I have always looked at vacating wins as a "feel good" thing to do for appearance purposes instead of anything of substance.

Tell that to Eddie Robinson...

Originally Posted by mcpapa

Tell that to Eddie Robinson...

OK, winningest coach in whatever Div 1 is called now.

Did UK get an unfair advantage, using this line of thinking, by covering up Eddie Sutton's and Billy Clyde's drinking.....Iowa State for covering up Larry Eustachy's fondness for frat parties and sorority girls? Does any school get an unfair advantage if they don't publicly disclose any actions by their personnel that might harm recruiting?

Originally Posted by tcjkbt

Did UK get an unfair advantage, using this line of thinking, by covering up Eddie Sutton's and Billy Clyde's drinking.....Iowa State for covering up Larry Eustachy's fondness for frat parties and sorority girls? Does any school get an unfair advantage if they don't publicly disclose any actions by their personnel that might harm recruiting?

Is drinking or banging of age frat girls with their consent among the most heinous crimes possible? No? Next question...

Originally Posted by gametime

Is drinking or banging of age frat girls with their consent among the most heinous crimes possible? No? Next question...

Heck it's not even a crime.

Originally Posted by tcjkbt

Did UK get an unfair advantage, using this line of thinking, by covering up Eddie Sutton's and Billy Clyde's drinking.....Iowa State for covering up Larry Eustachy's fondness for frat parties and sorority girls? Does any school get an unfair advantage if they don't publicly disclose any actions by their personnel that might harm recruiting?

Good point.

Originally Posted by HammerTime

Heck it's not even a crime.

Bravo, I say.