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    Side note....the Vine clip of Andrew on the podium? I thought it was all bogus. But, dang.....not good....talk about salt to the wound if real.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandman View Post
    admittedly I haven't read a single post in the thread yet, so I may be jumping into a discussion that's already been beat to death, but a few quick takes.

    I said in the Notre Dame thread, you get what you get with the Harrison's. Good and bad.

    Lack of any semblance of offense killed UK down the stretch. You get paid $5 million a year to run low 1-4, that's a good gig if you can get it. Cal has 5 NBA guys on the floor and kept putting the ball in the two worst prospects hands and said "go make a play," That's the best we can come up with?

    How come "hero ball" was such a bad thing for Towns at times this year (Cal's words) and tonight he begged the Harrison's to play "hero ball." I don't get it.

    Numerous chances with a 4 point lead, and air balls and forced shots were all they could get.

    You get what you get with Cal as well. In game coaching is a weakness, it cost them tonight. I'll say 15 coaches win the national title with UK this year, they may not have entered tonight unbeaten, but that many would have won the title with what UK has.

    And for those who follow recruiting like it is the be-all-and-end-all. UK had 9 McD's all-americans tonight, Wisconsin had 0. So there's that.

    Vent finished. I'll now go back and read the other posts.
    Saw what you did here and share your frustration. Tough loss for this UK fan who will simply thank this team for a great and memorable season. Proud of what these "kids" accomplished.

    Congrats to Coach Ryan and a fantastic Wisconsin team who continually attacked the basket the entire game. They earned it and deserve the oppty at a National Title. I'll be rooting for the Badgers Monday night.

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    It is real. I thought it was WCS, but all the internet videos lay the blame with Andrew Harrison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DragonFire View Post
    The missed call on the shot clock violation was obviously a big deal, but it killed me just before that when Cauley-Stein had blocked the shot by Koenig that Kentucky had four guys in perfect rebound position that watched the ball take a bounce inbounds and go out. I guess it is probably asking a lot for them to know what had happened, but it's a shame none of them realized that they needed to get the ball since it was going to be out on them. I don't even think it would have been all that difficult to save it to someone on the team.
    Good get. I thought there were three UK players standing right next to where the ball landed in bounds, you could audibly hear one of them say "let it go" as the ball bounced. Why not just grab it. It was right there.

    Grab the ball that's right next to you, and the shot clock no-call never happens. Mentality some of the players have though. Drives me nuts.

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    Few more takes:

    Lots of chatter about the three shot-clock violations. They were the result of three air balls, correct. UK took shots on each possession, just terrible shots. There is a difference. McDonald's All-Americans taking a good shot, probably hit the rim every single time.

    Not a fan of the Harrison's, but they've done some good things. To be clear, crazy to blame them for the stretch run tonight. Someone made the 1-4 calls and said "go be a hero" because that's apparently good offense. Same someone called out a top 3 draft pick a couple times this year for playing "hero ball". I miss the logic.

    As for blaming Cal for the loss, when you get paid $X millions to coach basketball, and your team performs that poorly down the stretch, well....

    Not sure how many chances (including offensive rebounds) UK had up four. But, if they take a good shot on even one of them, I really like their chances to go ahead and win the game. Instead they had three NBA players stand and watch two Euro-pro's over dribble into an unmake-able shot. Not the coach's fault though.

    Gotta mention, the shot that started the whole chain of events was a terrible three taken by one of the Harrison's (you get what you get). That shot is on him, not what followed offensively, and I thought at the time "you don't want that". UK rebounded though and from there I assumed Towns, Lyles, WCS, and maybe even Booker would be given chances to score.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newarkcatholicfan View Post
    The Big ten again tells the SEC not today, as the Badgers defeat the Wildcats tonight.

    LOVE THE BIG TEN AND THE BADGERS.

    I expected the Cats to win by ten or more but can't be shocked that the Badgers, who are a team of solid workers, who play in a much greater conference won the contest.
    Dude grow up. Dumbest boost you've likely ever had. You and UK fan should be BFF's.

    Whatever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cats3x View Post
    The same coach who has been had the most talented team in the country 5 times and won the title once.

    It's time to call a spade a spade. Cal is a very good coach, but in game he is very average compared to many others. Given the roster over the last 6 years I find it hard to believe that at least a handful of coaches wouldn't have done more. No other coach can assemble this kind of talent, but Cal is very stubborn and it usually gets him this time of year.
    What five years did Cal have the best talent? 2010. Okay. 2012. Yep. What other years besides this one? Last year was a great run, not a great team. Most talented teams don't have the season they had before the tourney. I never thought UK was the best team in the country last year, just hot on a run. This year, yep. Not 2011. Team was a 4 seed that had to pull off two upsets to win the Regional. A better 3 ball by Ohio State and it ends in the Sweet 16.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sportsfan41 View Post
    Dude grow up. Dumbest boost you've likely ever had. You and UK fan should be BFF's.

    Whatever.
    Karma. I took it for years like a man, but when given back just like the Cats many seem to fold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandman View Post
    admittedly I haven't read a single post in the thread yet, so I may be jumping into a discussion that's already been beat to death, but a few quick takes.

    I said in the Notre Dame thread, you get what you get with the Harrison's. Good and bad.

    Lack of any semblance of offense killed UK down the stretch. You get paid $5 million a year to run low 1-4, that's a good gig if you can get it. Cal has 5 NBA guys on the floor and kept putting the ball in the two worst prospects hands and said "go make a play," That's the best we can come up with?

    How come "hero ball" was such a bad thing for Towns at times this year (Cal's words) and tonight he begged the Harrison's to play "hero ball." I don't get it.

    Numerous chances with a 4 point lead, and air balls and forced shots were all they could get.

    You get what you get with Cal as well. In game coaching is a weakness, it cost them tonight. I'll say 15 coaches win the national title with UK this year, they may not have entered tonight unbeaten, but that many would have won the title with what UK has.

    And for those who follow recruiting like it is the be-all-and-end-all. UK had 9 McD's all-americans tonight, Wisconsin had 0. So there's that.

    Vent finished. I'll now go back and read the other posts.
    Agree with the bolded above Sandman. I'm not that big of a Calipari fan. Xs and Os just aren't his strong suit. Just an honest question, but are we seeing cracks in support of his basketball philosophy with regards to BBN?

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    I've never been a fan soley of a conference no matter what. For I stance my favorite College football team has always been Ohio State and basketball has always been UK. Every year this tournament more often than not prove conferences don't make a lick of difference. If conferences were the reason teams won championships then where are the Big 12 teams in the final 4? Weren't they supposed to be the best conference this year? Last year the ACC had a bad run in the toruney, this year SEC had bad run but when you look at the final 4 there were 2 Big 10 teams in the final 4 and the Big 10 was supposed to be bad this year.

    Too much is made of conferences in basketball and it has nothing to do with anything. The Sec was supposed to be down this year but one of their teams set a historic record this year. It's all about individual teams and nothing to do with conferences.

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    A. Discipline and experience will often offset youth and superior talent.

    2. This team generated a lot of buzz with the streak, but ultimately proved that it did not belong in the pantheon of "greatest ever". In-game coaching may have played a part in that.

    D. Congrats to both squads on their remarkable seasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcpapa View Post
    A. Discipline and experience will often offset youth and superior talent.

    2. This team generated a lot of buzz with the streak, but ultimately proved that it did not belong in the pantheon of "greatest ever". In-game coaching may have played a part in that.

    D. Congrats to both squads on their remarkable seasons.
    I disagree with #2 wholeheartedly.

    This team was clearly one of the greatest ever. They were one of the best defensive teams of all time, they broke the record for the most wins without a loss in a single season. To discredit any of that is foolish. It wasn't as if they played nobody the entire season to get to where the ended up. They made it to the final 4, that is further than every single team in college basketball except for 3 others. They beat a lot of good teams to start the season including several top 10 teams at the time. They beat both teams that made it to the finals of the ACC tournament in ND and UNC. They held good trams to season lows. Sorry, but this team was one of the greatest of all time.

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    What a journey this team has taken us on and I have enjoyed every minute of it. Didn't end like we all wanted it to, but still an amazing ride. So proud of each and everyone of them with their accomplishment on the court and demeanor off the court. This has been a very special group of players and I will miss each and everyone of them that decided to move on. Most likely will never see another group like this in my life time. Thanks guys for making this a very special ride for this old fan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OlDog75 View Post
    Agree with the bolded above Sandman. I'm not that big of a Calipari fan. Xs and Os just aren't his strong suit. Just an honest question, but are we seeing cracks in support of his basketball philosophy with regards to BBN?
    I think people are disappointed and are trying to rationalize this loss by blaming Cal. Once they give it a few days they won't be as strong minded. There were times during the season he won the game for UK. He had a bad game, all coaches do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellbird View Post
    I disagree with #2 wholeheartedly.

    This team was clearly one of the greatest ever. They were one of the best defensive teams of all time, they broke the record for the most wins without a loss in a single season. To discredit any of that is foolish. It wasn't as if they played nobody the entire season to get to where the ended up. They made it to the final 4, that is further than every single team in college basketball except for 3 others. They beat a lot of good teams to start the season including several top 10 teams at the time. They beat both teams that made it to the finals of the ACC tournament in ND and UNC. They held good trams to season lows. Sorry, but this team was one of the greatest of all time.
    You make some fair points. I'd be more than willing to go with "one of the best teams not to win a championship". Can't go "one of the greatest of all time". It will be interesting to hear the talking heads debate this one.

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