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    I’m actually happy for Virginia though, they have definitely redeemed last years first round loss. I hope that Texas Tech wins the rest of the way though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Anthony View Post
    Did Pearl out coach himself with the fouling at the end, or at least the 2nd one?
    Sometimes the right strategy backfires on you. If Brown doesn't commit that foul on Jerome at half court the game is over and Auburn wins.

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    This was a great game. I really thought that UVA would win by around 15 or so. UVA did a great job in shutting Auburn's Brown down until the latter part of the 2nd half, Brown's a heckuva player. Auburn played better in the half court that I thought they would vs. an excellent UVA defense. There was no doubt that was a foul on the disputed call at the end. I honestly didn't see the double dribble by UVA earlier, I doubt that a lot of people saw it. After the replay, yes it was and the official should've seen / called it and clearly missed it. I would be a liar if I said that I felt for B. Peal bc I don't and was thrilled to see UVA win . Coach Bennett is a class act and one of the top 3, 4 coaches in America, jmo. Should I have a son with that kind of talent then I would be proud if he could / would play for Coach Bennett.

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    As I watched the play, double-dribble did not occur to me. In hindsight it certainly was.
    My question is, did at least one of the other two officials realize that it was double-dribble, but didn't call it because "it wasn't their call?"

    I suspect that one or both knew it was a double-dribble, and if so in a game of such magnitude should they have blown the whistle, regardless of whose call it was?

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldrambler View Post
    This was a great game. I really thought that UVA would win by around 15 or so. UVA did a great job in shutting Auburn's Brown down until the latter part of the 2nd half, Brown's a heckuva player. Auburn played better in the half court that I thought they would vs. an excellent UVA defense. There was no doubt that was a foul on the disputed call at the end. I honestly didn't see the double dribble by UVA earlier, I doubt that a lot of people saw it. After the replay, yes it was and the official should've seen / called it and clearly missed it. I would be a liar if I said that I felt for B. Peal bc I don't and was thrilled to see UVA win . Coach Bennett is a class act and one of the top 3, 4 coaches in America, jmo. Should I have a son with that kind of talent then I would be proud if he could / would play for Coach Bennett.
    I know you have said multiple times you just dont like Pearl. Is there anything in particular that he has done that has made you not like him? He is a class act in both victory and defeat. Can tell he definitely loves his players. Plus he knows how to make basketball exciting at schools not known for basketball. He did that when he was at Tennesee and made it fun for Tennesee fans and was successful and now has done it at Auburn too. The way he handled how they lost today after the game was first class. So I wasnt sure what exactly he has done that has made you basically hate him lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by futurecoach View Post
    I know you have said multiple times you just dont like Pearl. Is there anything in particular that he has done that has made you not like him? He is a class act in both victory and defeat. Can tell he definitely loves his players. Plus he knows how to make basketball exciting at schools not known for basketball. He did that when he was at Tennesee and made it fun for Tennesee fans and was successful and now has done it at Auburn too. The way he handled how they lost today after the game was first class. So I wasnt sure what exactly he has done that has made you basically hate him lol.
    I don't deny that Pearl's done a good job with building Auburn basketball. I just think that he's a liar / carnival snake oil, miracle potion salesman type. He lied, got Tenn. in trouble (I'll bet the fans weren't having fun then) and got fired. After a few years, he convinces desperate Auburn to hire him …. a year later, asst. coach C. Pearson is implicated in the shoe co. scandal that got a few other coaches, was fired and recently prosecuted. I sure don't feel that Pearson acting on his own, imo Pearl was behind that w / Pearson being the fall guy. Seems that there are questions wherever he goes. Is jmo that Pearl is a con man. Pearl is certainly a very good coach but I wouldn't hire him to coach a prison team, lol. He, imo would make a great politician, wouldn't have to change a thing, lol.

    BTW … before someone says that the same things were said about Cal, I know that it was. Truthfully, I had some of those same concerns and at least up to this point that hasn't been the case. Considering the recent Life Contract, I would say that the U of K admin. along with the U.K. / ncaa compliance staff thinks that Cal is safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    As I watched the play, double-dribble did not occur to me. In hindsight it certainly was.
    My question is, did at least one of the other two officials realize that it was double-dribble, but didn't call it because "it wasn't their call?"

    I suspect that one or both knew it was a double-dribble, and if so in a game of such magnitude should they have blown the whistle, regardless of whose call it was?
    I "hear what your saying", but along that same line of thinking, they hadn't called the game that tight most of the night and the official makes that type of call on the last 3 point attempt? IDK. Have no dog in the fight, appreciated the great game but what a way to loose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldrambler View Post
    I don't deny that Pearl's done a good job with building Auburn basketball. I just think that he's a liar / carnival snake oil, miracle potion salesman type. He lied, got Tenn. in trouble (I'll bet the fans weren't having fun then) and got fired. After a few years, he convinces desperate Auburn to hire him …. a year later, asst. coach C. Pearson is implicated in the shoe co. scandal that got a few other coaches, was fired and recently prosecuted. I sure don't feel that Pearson acting on his own, imo Pearl was behind that w / Pearson being the fall guy. Seems that there are questions wherever he goes. Is jmo that Pearl is a con man. Pearl is certainly a very good coach but I wouldn't hire him to coach a prison team, lol. He, imo would make a great politician, wouldn't have to change a thing, lol.

    BTW … before someone says that the same things were said about Cal, I know that it was. Truthfully, I had some of those same concerns and at least up to this point that hasn't been the case. Considering the recent Life Contract, I would say that the U of K admin. along with the U.K. / ncaa compliance staff thinks that Cal is safe.
    He lied about having a grill out in his back yard lol. Every single coach almost in history is going to lie when they get accused of something, because they are going to make someone have to prove it. Just like Cal probably knew that Rose may have done something illegal with his SAT, but no reason to say he knew about it because it cant be proven. Just like Roy William's probably knew about the bogus class scandal for years. However, zero reason for him to say he knew about it. Same with Coach K, Pitino, Bill Self, Sean Miller and just any big name coach that has had accusations about them or their program. All will deny unless it gets proven they did. Shoot some even try to deny after it was proven lol. Pearl at least did admit it a few days later that he lied about it. All the things you just said you dislike about him, can be said about almost every single big name coach at big programs lies, possible scandals, etc. That's why I wondered why your hate was so strong with him, when same can be said about coaches with even bigger profiles than him. Which I get it though sometimes we all have people we just dont like for whatever reason.

    Which good thing for you is that Cal is staying. If he were to leave soon, Pearl probably would have been on the short list of coaches UK would have reached out to lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustang View Post
    As I watched the play, double-dribble did not occur to me. In hindsight it certainly was.
    My question is, did at least one of the other two officials realize that it was double-dribble, but didn't call it because "it wasn't their call?"

    I suspect that one or both knew it was a double-dribble, and if so in a game of such magnitude should they have blown the whistle, regardless of whose call it was?
    Good question that I would like to hear a point of view on from someone who referees. My personal opinion, there is no such thing as it is "his call". If I am a referee on the baseline and I see a double dribble at the point outside the three point line, I call it. If you are a referee and are sure you saw a violation, blow the whistle. I don't think there is any such thing as your call or my call, at least there shouldn't be. I hear people yell at refs because they called something and the fan yells that is not your call. My first thought is, was it a foul? Was it traveling? If it was a violation, then it doesn't matter who blows the whistle.

    On the double dribble in this game, there were two officials well positioned to make the call. I think they both may have thought Brown poked the ball loose. If Brown touched the ball, it isn't double dribble. Or, it may be such an unusual play and under those circumstances, the refs just missed it. I know this. If one of those refs blow the whistle and call double dribble, I would have been wowed. I would have said that was a heck of a catch and call by that official.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voice of Reason View Post
    Good question that I would like to hear a point of view on from someone who referees. My personal opinion, there is no such thing as it is "his call". If I am a referee on the baseline and I see a double dribble at the point outside the three point line, I call it. If you are a referee and are sure you saw a violation, blow the whistle. I don't think there is any such thing as your call or my call, at least there shouldn't be. I hear people yell at refs because they called something and the fan yells that is not your call. My first thought is, was it a foul? Was it traveling? If it was a violation, then it doesn't matter who blows the whistle.
    There absolutley is a thing, and it happens on every level. Some call it fishing in someone else’s pond, and some officials take it VERY seriously. They consider it being shown up if a guy makes a call in his zone.

    I somewhat agree with you that it shouldn’t be a thing, but if you’re going to call something completely across the court/field, you’d better be absolutely certain, and be able to explain why you were looking over there and not at your assignment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDeuce View Post
    There absolutley is a thing, and it happens on every level. Some call it fishing in someone else’s pond, and some officials take it VERY seriously. They consider it being shown up if a guy makes a call in his zone.

    I somewhat agree with you that it shouldn’t be a thing, but if you’re going to call something completely across the court/field, you’d better be absolutely certain, and be able to explain why you were looking over there and not at your assignment.
    Thank you. I can see another ref questioning why the baseline ref was looking at the play at the point. I appreciate that feedback.

    If an official did see an obvious violation that was outside his coverage area, would he not make the call because it is outside his area? I have seen in this NCAA tournament an official along the sideline make a 3 second call. I assume that would be considered the baseline officials call. What are your thoughts on that play? Would the baseline official be mad at the other official for making that call?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voice of Reason View Post
    Thank you. I can see another ref questioning why the baseline ref was looking at the play at the point. I appreciate that feedback.

    If an official did see an obvious violation that was outside his coverage area, would he not make the call because it is outside his area? I have seen in this NCAA tournament an official along the sideline make a 3 second call. I assume that would be considered the baseline officials call. What are your thoughts on that play? Would the baseline official be mad at the other official for making that call?
    I would say that in college most officials would be above the mindset that nobody should make a call in their area. Also, I believe that they all do want to make the right call, so if you see something that is blatant that I don’t for whatever reason, I’d expect you to call it. I don’t think people realize how much is really going on for officials to see on any given play, especially if they’ve never officiated. It’s A LOT.

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    I still maintain that the worst vantage point to see everything going on is the referees vantage at floor level....big bodies moving at varying speeds at different elevations on/off the floor. I would compare it somewhat like being two feet from a highway billboad. You can target certain areas of the billboard and see it quite clearly; but, it is impossible to see the whole billboard. We have three refs in order to see more parts of the billboard clearly; but, they will never see 100% all at one time. They are humans doing their best. Missed the double-dribble....tough break for Auburn. Sure the ref is feeling pretty bad. Overall, IMO, refs did an exceptional job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voice of Reason View Post
    Thank you. I can see another ref questioning why the baseline ref was looking at the play at the point. I appreciate that feedback.

    If an official did see an obvious violation that was outside his coverage area, would he not make the call because it is outside his area? I have seen in this NCAA tournament an official along the sideline make a 3 second call. I assume that would be considered the baseline officials call. What are your thoughts on that play? Would the baseline official be mad at the other official for making that call?
    The C(sideline/weak side) official in 3-man, or the trail(halfcourt) official in 2-man is responsible for the lane when the ball is in the lead(baseline) official’s area. Just a matter of too many bodies for one official to keep track of.

    A visual of referee’s primary coverage areas:

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    As you can see, the “C” (in red circle watching the yellow area) is responsible for half of the lane, and it is generally accepted they cover the entire lane when the ball is in lead’s primary.

    As for the double dribble, there are only a couple officials with the... required equipment... to make that call occurring right in trail’s lap, and I can’t imagine either of the guys in this game had a good look at it.

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    Good diagram. I will be willing to say the official thought for sure the Auburn player touched the ball.

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