Updates from Recruiting!!

**Fletch** · Apr 12, 07, 09:53 PM

Originally Posted by JD If U Please
Give him a break....

He is the only BIG TIME credible source on here about things other than UK and IMHO makes this place relevant if you want to know about anything other than high school sports.......

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Just keep in mind that there are those on here that really enjoy your hard work.

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I agree, if you want info on a high school recruit, GT is the person to ask and if he doesn't know it I'm sure he has the resources to get it.

I have to agree with the above, even though we haven't seen eye to eye much. He and L-a-b-s provide some of the best insider info on the site.

**1996** · Apr 12, 07, 10:03 PM

Originally Posted by gametime

You aren't very good with those smileys over the years...

Oh, Believe me there's not a smiley available for the some of those....:mad:

I agree with Fletch also I usually do not believe anything on here until it's confirmed by GT or Labs.

**UKMustangFan** · Apr 12, 07, 11:12 PM

Just listened to an interview with Willie Warren that occurred earlier today.....He said some interesting things, one of which is that he is planning on making a decision very soon. He said some things about how "Coach G. going to UK just makes it that much easier to make a decision", he pauses for a moment and than adds, "if that's where I end up."

Also the guys conducting the interview were talking afterwards about how Warren was the recruit Coach G. was visiting when UK called, and he said something along the lines of Coach G. texting him that he may be going somewhere else, and that WW was coming with him....

**Log Mountain Boy** · Apr 12, 07, 11:27 PM

Originally Posted by gametime

I still find it a bit funny how people blasted me for saying Tubby and Huggs were built from the same coaching "cloth". Yes Tubby had fewer character issues, but the structure and foundation of both were very similar...

Mick and Billy G are on the other end of the scale completely...

This is so funny. Huggins and Tubby Smith are about as different as you can get. They have different personalities, they recruited different types, of players, etc.
I could go on and on!

**gametime** · Apr 12, 07, 11:30 PM

Originally Posted by Log Mountain Boy

This is so funny. Huggins and Tubby Smith are about as different as you can get. They have different personalities, they recruited different types, of players, etc.
I could go on and on!

So opposite they are VERY close friends. They are different people, but very similar coaches and recruiters...

**Log Mountain Boy** · Apr 12, 07, 11:34 PM

Originally Posted by gametime

So opposite they are VERY close friends. They are different people, but very similar coaches and recruiters...

Bellalum and I are very close friends. You can see by some of the stuff we say on here we disagree. We are very opposite people, but it has no negative affects on our friendship.

I just don't like the comparison. They are way too different and like I said recruit different types of players usually.

**gametime** · Apr 12, 07, 11:36 PM

Originally Posted by Log Mountain Boy

Bellalum and I are very close friends. You can see by some of the stuff we say on here we disagree. We are very opposite people, but it has no negative affects on our friendship.

I just don't like the comparison. They are way too different and like I said recruit different types of players usually.

So let me hear, in depth, why you think they are such different coaches and recruiters...

**Belfry Boy** · Apr 13, 07, 12:12 AM

I see were Gametime is coming from Huggins and Tubby is the same type of style on the court just different people off the court, and Im not knocking Huggins because I do like him.

**Log Mountain Boy** · Apr 13, 07, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by gametime

So let me hear, in depth, why you think they are such different coaches and recruiters...

For one thing Tubby goes after different types of players. He looks more at character of young men than Huggins does. Huggins does more sweet talking recruits. Tubby was always honest to a fault never promising a recruit anything, but having an opportunity to compete for a spot.
Also, (you couldnt tell it by the last 2 years because of lack of talent IMO) Tubby is a much better at making adjustments in games that equaled more success.

**gametime** · Apr 13, 07, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by Log Mountain Boy

For one thing Tubby goes after different types of players. He looks more at character of young men than Huggins does. Huggins does more sweet talking recruits. Tubby was always honest to a fault never promising a recruit anything, but having an opportunity to compete for a spot.
Also, (you couldnt tell it by the last 2 years because of lack of talent IMO) Tubby is a much better at making adjustments in games that equaled more success.

And that just shows how little you know about Huggs. Both went after, and lost out a majority of the time, similar style big name recruits only to be left at the alter in the spring and left scrambling. Huggs did take a few more risks in those situations, but both had to do what they could to fill the roster.

How do you know what Huggs promised? What did he say to guys like Immanuel MacElroy or Nick Williams or Eric Hicks or Jason Maxiel? He told them they would have to come in and work their tails off to earn a spot on the floor the same as Tubby told Daniels, Hayes, Fitch and so on.

And let's not act like Tubby recruited all choir boys to UK. You know that's a flat out lie. Plain and simple. Tubby won a title and Bob got to a Final 4 before losing to a team that cheated and was stripped of their banners. Both got to several Elite 8's. The winning percentage was very similar. You're flat out wrong on this one...

**Log Mountain Boy** · Apr 13, 07, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by gametime

And that just shows how little you know about Huggs. Both went after, and lost out a majority of the time, similar style big name recruits only to be left at the alter in the spring and left scrambling. Huggs did take a few more risks in those situations, but both had to do what they could to fill the roster.

How do you know what Huggs promised? What did he say to guys like Immanuel MacElroy or Nick Williams or Eric Hicks or Jason Maxiel? He told them they would have to come in and work their tails off to earn a spot on the floor the same as Tubby told Daniels, Hayes, Fitch and so on.

And let's not act like Tubby recruited all choir boys to UK. You know that's a flat out lie. Plain and simple. Tubby won a title and Bob got to a Final 4 before losing to a team that cheated and was stripped of their banners. Both got to several Elite 8's. The winning percentage was very similar. You're flat out wrong on this one...

I have honestly talked with high school coaches who have had players who were recruited by Huggins and Tubby. Trust me they were a lot different.

As for similar players recruited there is always going to be a few that cross paths but the only 1 I know for certain is Jason Maxiel.

And also Tubby changed the types of players he recruited after the whole Desmond Allison, Rahard Carruth projects failed.

And as for their success, Tubby's teams have never done worse than the round of 32. I can only remember 1 Bob Huggins team going to the round of 32 in the past 6 or 7 years. Is that correct? Their success levels recently have definitly been far different!

**gametime** · Apr 13, 07, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by Log Mountain Boy

And as for their success, Tubby's teams have never done worse than the round of 32. I can only remember 1 Bob Huggins team going to the round of 32 in the past 6 or 7 years. Is that correct? Their success levels recently have definitly been far different!

If you compare Tubby's 10 years to Bob's first 10 years at UC they look a lot alike. Yes he slipped a little in his last 5 or so years, and that was also about the time he started having issues in his personal life. Tubby was following the same trend as Bob, and it was a good idea to leave when he did. In this day and age 10 years is about the maximum life at any one school.

And now let's hear what coaches had players recruited by both and how they were different...

**Log Mountain Boy** · Apr 13, 07, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by gametime

If you compare Tubby's 10 years to Bob's first 10 years at UC they look a lot alike. Yes he slipped a little in his last 5 or so years, and that was also about the time he started having issues in his personal life. Tubby was following the same trend as Bob, and it was a good idea to leave when he did. In this day and age 10 years is about the maximum life at any one school.

And now let's hear what coaches had players recruited by both and how they were different...

Jim Calhoun, Jim Boehiem, Coach K, Lute Olsen, Billy Donovan, Tom Izzo need to all hit the road then? That is an absurd comment!

As for recruiting differences, Huggins will tell you a lot more of what you want to hear when Tubby will be completely honest (which hurt Tubby).

**gametime** · Apr 13, 07, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by Log Mountain Boy

Jim Calhoun, Jim Boehiem, Coach K, Lute Olsen, Billy Donovan, Tom Izzo need to all hit the road then? That is an absurd comment!

Calhoun missed the dance. Boehiem missed this year and would have missed last year if not for the heroics of G Mac. K has been in a big down turn. Arizona has not been the same in years. I don't even need to get into what Izzo has done over the last 5 years again. Billy D is at year 11 and in a few years I strongly believe we will look back and say he should have left after this season. Absurd? Only to you...

**Log Mountain Boy** · Apr 13, 07, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by gametime

Calhoun missed the dance. Boehiem missed this year and would have missed last year if not for the heroics of G Mac. K has been in a big down turn. Arizona has not been the same in years. I don't even need to get into what Izzo has done over the last 5 years again. Billy D is at year 11 and in a few years I strongly believe we will look back and say he should have left after this season. Absurd? Only to you...

So lets judge it on 1 off season for these guys? WEAK!

**gametime** · Apr 13, 07, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by Log Mountain Boy

So lets judge it on 1 off season for these guys? WEAK!

Calhoun is the only one I mentioned with one off year. NEXT!!!

**coldweatherfan** · Apr 13, 07, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by gametime

K has been in a big down turn.

I'm not a Duke fan, but I'd have to argue this one. This year was down by Duke standards. But the Duke win totals for the last 10 years, counting this year, are: 22, 32, 27, 31, 26, 31, 35, 29, 37, & 32 for a total of 302 wins vs 53 losses. That's an average of 30-5 per season for the last ten years. I know they have been to at least 2 final fours and won a national title during that time.

**gametime** · Apr 13, 07, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by coldweatherfan

I'm not a Duke fan, but I'd have to argue this one. This year was down by Duke standards. But the Duke win totals for the last 10 years, counting this year, are: 22, 32, 27, 31, 26, 31, 35, 29, 37, & 32 for a total of 302 wins vs 53 losses. That's an average of 30-5 per season for the last ten years. I know they have been to at least 2 final fours and won a national title during that time.

In the last 8 tournaments they have a title in 2001 and a Final 4 in 2004. They have not been past the Sweet 16 in the other 5 years. 4 Sweet 16 loses and 1 first round loss...

**Log Mountain Boy** · Apr 13, 07, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by Log Mountain Boy

So lets judge it on 1 off season for these guys? WEAK!

Most of the guys I mentioned are 20+ season guys. They have done great jobs. Izzo and Donovan IMO are far from done.
You forget so quickly that in 2005 Michigan St was in the Final 4 and Arizona was beat in overtime by Illinois to keep them going from the Final 4.

Now what I am saying to you is that your view that 10 years is the maximum life at 1 school for a coach is completely absurd. I have given you several examples that completely prove you wrong.

**Log Mountain Boy** · Apr 13, 07, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by gametime

In the last 8 tournaments they have a title in 2001 and a Final 4 in 2004. They have not been past the Sweet 16 in the other 5 years. 4 Sweet 16 loses and 1 first round loss...

The 1st 20 years of Coach K, Boheim, and Calhoun were pretty darn good. Even after the 10 year mark. You are making this too easy.