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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDeuce View Post
    Okay. 15 early exits in 37 seasons.

    Thats one "early exit" every three years or so. Closer to 2.5 years, but I rounded up.

    5 titles in 37 years is one every 7 years, average.

    You're going to sit there and tell me you wouldn't be okay with those numbers if Cal did the same at UK?
    I never said that. People are misunderstanding everything I've said. I said that Coach K NEVER gets criticized for his early tournament exits when he has a high seed and if it was Coach Cal the national media who can't stand Cal and many fans would be all over him. That's what I said. Coach K has more early exits when seeded high than any coach in tournament history because of the exit yesterday as was reported on CBS but they never question Coach K when that is released. Can you sit there and actually say coach Cal wouldn't be getting roasted if he had the early exits that Coach K has had just since 2009?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellbird View Post
    I never said that. People are misunderstanding everything I've said. I said that Coach K NEVER gets criticized for his early tournament exits when he has a high seed and if it was Coach Cal the national media who can't stand Cal and many fans would be all over him. That's what I said. Coach K has more early exits when seeded high than any coach in tournament history because of the exit yesterday as was reported on CBS but they never question Coach K when that is released. Can you sit there and actually say coach Cal wouldn't be getting roasted if he had the early exits that Coach K has had just since 2009?
    And you're not understanding what others are saying. No one has disagreed with you that Coach K is given a pass. They're simply stating why he's given that pass. And to answer your question, no Cal would not be getting killed by the media if he had the same number of early exits and 5 titles.

    If you want to complain about guys getting a pass for early exits, Jay Wright and Bill Self should be your targets, not Coach K.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UKMustangFan View Post
    Not sure where I came up with the 5 number. Mea Culpa.
    Off subject, it was kinda funny that you gave wrong information on a post where you were replying to a post of mine with misleading statement. I liked it lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by UKMustangFan View Post
    And you're not understanding what others are saying. No one has disagreed with you that Coach K is given a pass. They're simply stating why he's given that pass. And to answer your question, no Cal would not be getting killed by the media if he had the same number of early exits and 5 titles.

    If you want to complain about guys getting a pass for early exits, Jay Wright and Bill Self should be your targets, not Coach K.
    And I'm simply saying he shouldn't get a free pass especially when people toss out the "Greatest coach" labels etc. Jay Wright and Bill Self aren't being labeled as the best coach etc. either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellbird View Post
    Can you sit there and actually say coach Cal wouldn't be getting roasted if he had the early exits that Coach K has had just since 2009?
    If Cal had five titles, I absolutely can sit here and say that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDeuce View Post
    If Cal had five titles, I absolutely can sit here and say that.
    So you do a good thing, then you can never be criticized? That's fine if that is how you feel and you're definitely not alone. I just have different opinion is all. I think Coach K is given way too much leeway. He is far from a good teacher and role model yet you will have people defending on that also even after the last couple years and things he has said and actions he's done with his team etc. so some will always excuse him no matter what and it's simply because he has 5 titles in 4 decades.

    Also if Cal had 5 titles since 2009, I think there would be too many heads exploding around the country lol due to the amount of hate people have toward him. 5 titles since 2009, shoot if Coach K did that I'd be his personal servant until he retired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellbird View Post
    So you do a good thing, then you can never be criticized? That's fine if that is how you feel and you're definitely not alone. I just have different opinion is all. I think Coach K is given way too much leway. He is far from a good teacher and role model yet you will have people defending him no matter what and it's simply because he has 5 titles in 4 decades.
    He's done five "good things" and has had one of the most successful programs in the country for FOUR DECADES. You can try to down play what Duke has done under K all you want, but you'll be very lonely on that island.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellbird View Post
    You have your opinion and I have mine. When early exits from the tourney are more common than him going deep says enough for me.
    That's fine. I have no problem with you being proud to be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MJAlltheWay24 View Post
    That's fine. I have no problem with you being proud to be wrong.
    This.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDeuce View Post
    He's done five "good things" and has had one of the most successful programs in the country for FOUR DECADES. You can try to down play what Duke has done under K all you want, but you'll be very lonely on that island.
    Not doing any of that. I think what you all are saying makes the name Teflon K make more sense. He has 5 Titles, congrats! That's awesome! So no one can question him when the so called experts pick them to win it all and they get bounced the first weekend. I think it's a legitimate criticism. I think it's a legitimate criticism to any coach that gets bounced early several times when being a high seed. I bleed Kentucky Blue and have questioned Cal's in game coaching earlier this year. Criticism comes with the job just as accolades do. I guess I'm simply more loyal to a team than who is the coach of the team because when it's all said and done, the coaches will move on but the team will always be there until the school is no more.

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    You're actually doing a lot of that.

    Ive wasted enough time on this already. Carry on with your Duke hating. Didn't mean to interrupt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MJAlltheWay24 View Post
    That's fine. I have no problem with you being proud to be wrong.
    This is exactly what I've been talking about. You aren't even allowed to question a coach if there are people who slobber all over that coach. I'm wrong saying Coach K has been knocked out of the tournament early? Is Duke still in the tournament? Did I miss something? Are you living in Bizaro World where reality isn't reality in your realm? Coach K has been knocked out of the tournament early AGAIN, that is a fact. What did I miss? Did the tournament officals have an emergency meeting last night and said, wait a second we can't have Duke out of the tournament early AGAIN because his loyal subjects like MJAlltheWay24 will not accept the fact that even though we gave Duke a great seed once again and an easier path to the finals than they deserved, that wasn't enough because Coach K still lost. We should put them back in and start the tournament over. Is that what you think actually happened MJ since I am apparently wrong according to you and Duke didn't lose?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellbird View Post
    This is exactly what I've been talking about. You aren't even allowed to question a coach if there are people who slobber all over that coach. I'm wrong saying Coach K has been knocked out of the tournament early? Is Duke still in the tournament? Did I miss something? Are you living in Bizaro World where reality isn't reality in your realm? Coach K has been knocked out of the tournament early AGAIN, that is a fact. What did I miss? Did the tournament officals have an emergency meeting last night and said, wait a second we can't have Duke out of the tournament early AGAIN because his loyal subjects like MJAlltheWay24 will not accept the fact that even though we gave Duke a great seed once again and an easier path to the finals than they deserved, that wasn't enough because Coach K still lost. We should put them back in and start the tournament over. Is that what you think actually happened MJ since I am apparently wrong according to you and Duke didn't lose?
    You are right that they lost again.

    You are also right that he isn't criticized for all of the early exits. And he shouldn't be because of the fact that he has 5 National Championships. You can criticize all you want and say that his early exits must be talked about, but in the end people will always be able to point to the fact that he has 5 National Championship and it ends the conversation about needed criticism.

    Coach K has the most tournament winds. Is tied for the most Final Four appearances and has the 2nd most titles. In the end 5 rings trumps any amount of early exits until some other coach has 5 rings without them (or with less early exists). And based on current record books, it'll be a while til that happens.

    So yes, he is excused of some criticism because of the titles, as he should be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MJAlltheWay24 View Post
    You are right that they lost again.

    You are also right that he isn't criticized for all of the early exits. And he shouldn't be because of the fact that he has 5 National Championships. You can criticize all you want and say that his early exits must be talked about, but in the end people will always be able to point to the fact that he has 5 National Championship and it ends the conversation about needed criticism.

    Coach K has the most tournament winds. Is tied for the most Final Four appearances and has the 2nd most titles. In the end 5 rings trumps any amount of early exits until some other coach has 5 rings without them (or with less early exists). And based on current record books, it'll be a while til that happens.

    So yes, he is excused of some criticism because of the titles, as he should be.
    This was the best reply by anyone who decided to actually sit back and answer the question with logic instead of just saying "Because he has 5 Titles" I may not agree that he should be free of criticism but I respect your take on it.

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    The only "Coach K early exit specialist" remark I will make is this. I read an interesting number last week that since Duke's final game appearance as a #3 seed in 1994 vs. Arkansas, Duke has not reached a Final Four unless they have been a #1 seed. Not sure it means anything, I just thought it was interesting. They have obviously been uber successive and secured multiple #1 seeds during that time, with three rings and other Finals appearance to boot.

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