Memphis Fires Tubby Smith

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    Quote Originally Posted by bruin66 View Post
    He cleaned up a mess that was left to him. He exceeded expectations as far as finishing well above where they were predicted in the conference. They finished the year strong.
    He was not left with a mess. You (and Hellcats) have not idea what you are talking about.

    Memphis wanted Josh Pastner gone, but what he left behind is far better than what Tubby is leaving for Penny.

    Here are the facts:

    - Pastner left behind four 100 recruits (Dedric Lawson, KJ Lawson, Markel Crawford and Nick Marshall). Plus they had another top 100 prospect Charlie Moore signed to national letter of intent. Marshall transferred to a Junior college. Moore played his freshman year at Cal (averaging 12 points), but is now at Kansas. Markel Crawford transferred to Ole Miss (averaged 9 points per game).

    - Tubby demoted Keelon Lawson from a coach to a staff positon. Why? To make room for Saul - Tubby loves nepotism despite everyone always labeling him a "good guy". Problem with demoting Lawson is.... Dedrick and KJ Lawson were Tubby's best players. Both decided to transfer to Kansas after the demotion. Keelon Lawson is also the father of Chandler Lawson and Jonathan Lawson, both top players in their classes and the uncle of DJ Jeffries (recent UK commit). Obviously having Pappa Lawson on the bench insured more talent for the Tigers than having Saul. Although Tubby is a great coach, everyone needs talent and Keelon Lawson was a key for Memphis now and in the foreseeable future.

    You can lose everyone on your roster like Cal if you can replace them, but Tubby doesn't like to recruit (even a little)e. Tubby has been on the job two years and he has secured exactly zero top 100 recruits. He got two 2 star recruits during the early signing period. One was 7-4 (think he might be a project?), who picked Memphis over Oral Roberts, Tulsa, UTEP and Rice. Good luck winning with that formula.

    As far as finishing above predictions there are two problems with that. #1 why is Memphis ever projected to finish 8th, 9th or wherever they were predicted to finish that low in their horrible conference? Those are some seriously low expectations for a program like Memphis. Second - yes they finished fifth; however, they benefited from an unbalanced schedule only playing Houston and Wichita State one time each. By Tubby's own admission they beat nobody (I would give him credit for Houston, but Tubby knows those 21 wins were suspect. Not to mention 21 wins and they didn't sniff the NIT. KenPom rating of #159 puts them in the company of Albany, Townson, Drake and Weber State.

    Tubby was a disaster at Memphis.

    Memphis made a huge mistake hiring Tubby, but that doesn't mean that Tubby was anything but horrible. The good news he can spend lots of time with Saul.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldbird View Post
    He was not left with a mess. You (and Hellcats) have not idea what you are talking about.

    Memphis wanted Josh Pastner gone, but what he left behind is far better than what Tubby is leaving for Penny.

    Here are the facts:

    - Pastner left behind four 100 recruits (Dedric Lawson, KJ Lawson, Markel Crawford and Nick Marshall). Plus they had another top 100 prospect Charlie Moore signed to national letter of intent. Marshall transferred to a Junior college. Moore played his freshman year at Cal (averaging 12 points), but is now at Kansas. Markel Crawford transferred to Ole Miss (averaged 9 points per game).

    - Tubby demoted Keelon Lawson from a coach to a staff positon. Why? To make room for Saul - Tubby loves nepotism despite everyone always labeling him a "good guy". Problem with demoting Lawson is.... Dedrick and KJ Lawson were Tubby's best players. Both decided to transfer to Kansas after the demotion. Keelon Lawson is also the father of Chandler Lawson and Jonathan Lawson, both top players in their classes and the uncle of DJ Jeffries (recent UK commit). Obviously having Pappa Lawson on the bench insured more talent for the Tigers than having Saul. Although Tubby is a great coach, everyone needs talent and Keelon Lawson was a key for Memphis now and in the foreseeable future.

    You can lose everyone on your roster like Cal if you can replace them, but Tubby doesn't like to recruit (even a little)e. Tubby has been on the job two years and he has secured exactly zero top 100 recruits. He got two 2 star recruits during the early signing period. One was 7-4 (think he might be a project?), who picked Memphis over Oral Roberts, Tulsa, UTEP and Rice. Good luck winning with that formula.

    As far as finishing above predictions there are two problems with that. #1 why is Memphis ever projected to finish 8th, 9th or wherever they were predicted to finish that low in their horrible conference? Those are some seriously low expectations for a program like Memphis. Second - yes they finished fifth; however, they benefited from an unbalanced schedule only playing Houston and Wichita State one time each. By Tubby's own admission they beat nobody (I would give him credit for Houston, but Tubby knows those 21 wins were suspect. Not to mention 21 wins and they didn't sniff the NIT. KenPom rating of #159 puts them in the company of Albany, Townson, Drake and Weber State.

    Tubby was a disaster at Memphis.

    Memphis made a huge mistake hiring Tubby, but that doesn't mean that Tubby was anything but horrible. The good news he can spend lots of time with Saul.
    Sorry, I was mistaken. Pastner took his mess with him.

    Georgia Tech coach Josh Pastner accused of sexual assault

    At least 14 times in 10 months, Georgia Tech men’s basketball coach Josh Pastner sexually assaulted or harassed the girlfriend of his self-described biggest supporter, the woman alleges in court papers Thursday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellcats View Post
    Sorry, I was mistaken. Pastner took his mess with him.

    Georgia Tech coach Josh Pastner accused of sexual assault

    At least 14 times in 10 months, Georgia Tech men’s basketball coach Josh Pastner sexually assaulted or harassed the girlfriend of his self-described biggest supporter, the woman alleges in court papers Thursday.
    I am skeptical about this story. Josh probably broke some NCAA rules, but the guy behind this story acts like a spurned lover responding to Josh not giving him the attention he wanted. No idea where the truth lies, but he seems a little off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldbird View Post
    He was not left with a mess. You (and Hellcats) have not idea what you are talking about.

    Memphis wanted Josh Pastner gone, but what he left behind is far better than what Tubby is leaving for Penny.

    Here are the facts:

    - Pastner left behind four 100 recruits (Dedric Lawson, KJ Lawson, Markel Crawford and Nick Marshall). Plus they had another top 100 prospect Charlie Moore signed to national letter of intent. Marshall transferred to a Junior college. Moore played his freshman year at Cal (averaging 12 points), but is now at Kansas. Markel Crawford transferred to Ole Miss (averaged 9 points per game).

    - Tubby demoted Keelon Lawson from a coach to a staff positon. Why? To make room for Saul - Tubby loves nepotism despite everyone always labeling him a "good guy". Problem with demoting Lawson is.... Dedrick and KJ Lawson were Tubby's best players. Both decided to transfer to Kansas after the demotion. Keelon Lawson is also the father of Chandler Lawson and Jonathan Lawson, both top players in their classes and the uncle of DJ Jeffries (recent UK commit). Obviously having Pappa Lawson on the bench insured more talent for the Tigers than having Saul. Although Tubby is a great coach, everyone needs talent and Keelon Lawson was a key for Memphis now and in the foreseeable future.

    You can lose everyone on your roster like Cal if you can replace them, but Tubby doesn't like to recruit (even a little)e. Tubby has been on the job two years and he has secured exactly zero top 100 recruits. He got two 2 star recruits during the early signing period. One was 7-4 (think he might be a project?), who picked Memphis over Oral Roberts, Tulsa, UTEP and Rice. Good luck winning with that formula.

    As far as finishing above predictions there are two problems with that. #1 why is Memphis ever projected to finish 8th, 9th or wherever they were predicted to finish that low in their horrible conference? Those are some seriously low expectations for a program like Memphis. Second - yes they finished fifth; however, they benefited from an unbalanced schedule only playing Houston and Wichita State one time each. By Tubby's own admission they beat nobody (I would give him credit for Houston, but Tubby knows those 21 wins were suspect. Not to mention 21 wins and they didn't sniff the NIT. KenPom rating of #159 puts them in the company of Albany, Townson, Drake and Weber State.

    Tubby was a disaster at Memphis.

    Memphis made a huge mistake hiring Tubby, but that doesn't mean that Tubby was anything but horrible. The good news he can spend lots of time with Saul.
    All I know is that they are replacing a first-class guy and a winning coach with someone who has never coached before just because he is a "name."

    I am not a Memphis fan; I don't have a dog in the fight. I am, however, against replacing winning coaches with unknown coaches with little to no experience.

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    Tubby should get the EKU gig.

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    Tubby uses a typewriter to recruit in an iPad world.

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    Cal should bring Pitino, Tubby, and Billy G onto his staff. All former UK coaches who need a job lol.

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    Report I saw today said Memphis lost about $4M this year due to attendance decrease.

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    Heard on radio, Memphis has to pay Tubby 10 million dollars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coldweatherfan View Post
    Heard on radio, Memphis has to pay Tubby 10 million dollars.

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    Just from the few games that I saw, Tubby didn't seem to have the same fire that he used to coach with. Almost like he didn't want to be there--sitting down for a majority of the game, especially when things were going bad. Just a lot of bad body language that was far different than when he was at UK or even his other stops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coldweatherfan View Post
    Heard on radio, Memphis has to pay Tubby 10 million dollars.
    It’s worth every Penny...did I say that?

    I like Tubby, but timing is everything.
    Memphis could NOT wait on a chance Penny would end up at Ole Miss.

    I have questions about what was going on at Memphis. Their late season improvement was gratifying, but why were they 13-11 WITH their best player and NO top 100 wins? For the second year in a row something was amiss with Tubby’s team.

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    I am a UK fan second after Memphis...so I say this with love.

    Now UK fans can have someone new to hate since Pitino is gone from Louisville and the Calipari they hated when he was at Memphis is now their own.

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    I don’t know if the prognosticators have inside info or what but one of the radio shows today reported that most of the crystal balls still have Wiseman signing with UK. I’ll have to see that to believe it though. Hardaway has a built-in advantage with the young man as he is his high school coach.

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    What has Penny done to show he’s qualified or deserves this job?

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