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    Quote Originally Posted by FatNate View Post
    NKU is a stepping stone program. I have no problem there. I love NKUs arena, because I can get a comfortable seat for high school regional games. I also like that over the years NKU has recruited the state. But, otherwise I root for NKU as local team, but truth be known I am a UC guy. I got on the bandwagon in the early 90s with Hugs and it has not changed. The Colgate play is ridiculous I can not argue that. The Brannen/Cumberland relationship has not been good from the beginning though. That relationship is also making for a tough last season for Cumberland. I am not sure who is to blame, but I think they both have a share in it.
    I believe Brannen lost a pretty good player while at NKU.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Double Deuce View Post
    I'm going to need a healthy dose of @Walter 's spin on this one.
    I honestly couldn't tell you anything about the game other than highlights that I've seen and the box score. I was fortunately in Indianapolis with my two brother in laws and uncle that night and gave my tickets away (wasn't on TV in Indy to watch), so I didn't have to sit through that final minute meltdown.

    Now from what I've seen so far, and I've seen every other game, missed free throws and turnovers have been their biggest issue in late game situations. Looking at the box score and final two minutes, it looks like that was the case once again.

    This just isn't a very good basketball team right now. Jarron is trying to play through injuries, on top of obviously not liking the system Brannen is asking him to run, and the frustration is showing and affecting his game. He isn't the only one though. Tre Scott has struggled too because he's being asked to do more than he was asked to do in the previous system and that just isn't his game.

    This roster isn't built to run what John wants to do (not enough reliable ball handlers or a center who can put the ball on the floor like Drew could from the high post) and I think his stubborn approach is going to cost UC a 10th straight NCAA tournament appearance, which is extremely disappointing to me considering all that Jarron has done for this program during his 4 years at UC.

    Sometimes you have to adapt to your players and their strengths instead of forcing a certain system and tempo on them that is probably a year or two away from really working. Mick wasn't popular but his approach of slowing the game down to prevent turnovers worked pretty well and had a lot of success. JB has said he isn't going to slow the game down just to prevent turnovers. That approach has UC off to their worst start in I couldn't tell you how many years.

    But at the end of the day, if you have a 5 point lead at home with a minute to go and you're heading to the line for a front end to ice the game, you have to make that free throw. JB doesn't control turnovers and missed free throws...the players do. I'd say JB's system isn't a good fit for the better players UC has, but at the same time they have beaten themselves with mental mistakes.

    Hopefully they come to play tonight and look better in front of a sold out crowd, because if not they are going to get blown out of their own gym by Tennessee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4 Quarters View Post
    I believe Brannen lost a pretty good player while at NKU.
    Certainly an interesting way to put it, if you are Carson Williams deciding to transfer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter View Post
    I honestly couldn't tell you anything about the game other than highlights that I've seen and the box score. I was fortunately in Indianapolis with my two brother in laws and uncle that night and gave my tickets away (wasn't on TV in Indy to watch), so I didn't have to sit through that final minute meltdown.

    Now from what I've seen so far, and I've seen every other game, missed free throws and turnovers have been their biggest issue in late game situations. Looking at the box score and final two minutes, it looks like that was the case once again.

    This just isn't a very good basketball team right now. Jarron is trying to play through injuries, on top of obviously not liking the system Brannen is asking him to run, and the frustration is showing and affecting his game. He isn't the only one though. Tre Scott has struggled too because he's being asked to do more than he was asked to do in the previous system and that just isn't his game.

    This roster isn't built to run what John wants to do (not enough reliable ball handlers or a center who can put the ball on the floor like Drew could from the high post) and I think his stubborn approach is going to cost UC a 10th straight NCAA tournament appearance, which is extremely disappointing to me considering all that Jarron has done for this program during his 4 years at UC.

    Sometimes you have to adapt to your players and their strengths instead of forcing a certain system and tempo on them that is probably a year or two away from really working. Mick wasn't popular but his approach of slowing the game down to prevent turnovers worked pretty well and had a lot of success. JB has said he isn't going to slow the game down just to prevent turnovers. That approach has UC off to their worst start in I couldn't tell you how many years.

    But at the end of the day, if you have a 5 point lead at home with a minute to go and you're heading to the line for a front end to ice the game, you have to make that free throw. JB doesn't control turnovers and missed free throws...the players do. I'd say JB's system isn't a good fit for the better players UC has, but at the same time they have beaten themselves with mental mistakes.

    Hopefully they come to play tonight and look better in front of a sold out crowd, because if not they are going to get blown out of their own gym by Tennessee.
    Good post. One thing Cumberland needs to realize...he's no Sean Kilpatrick, and look how tough his NBA journey has been.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9068 View Post
    Good post. One thing Cumberland needs to realize...he's no Sean Kilpatrick, and look how tough his NBA journey has been.
    I actually think JC has more raw talent and ability than SK had. The difference was Sean had that dog and drive in him that not many guys have. He wasn't losing, no matter what. Jarron has that ability but has to be motivated for it to show in his game and approach. He was the best player on two 30 win teams in their biggest games of the year. He just goes through these phases where he isn't there mentally. Right now, that's what's going on between the injuries and disconnect between him and JB.

    Hopefully this game was such a low point for him, we see a different player the rest of the season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter View Post
    I honestly couldn't tell you anything about the game other than highlights that I've seen and the box score. I was fortunately in Indianapolis with my two brother in laws and uncle that night and gave my tickets away (wasn't on TV in Indy to watch), so I didn't have to sit through that final minute meltdown.

    Now from what I've seen so far, and I've seen every other game, missed free throws and turnovers have been their biggest issue in late game situations. Looking at the box score and final two minutes, it looks like that was the case once again.

    This just isn't a very good basketball team right now. Jarron is trying to play through injuries, on top of obviously not liking the system Brannen is asking him to run, and the frustration is showing and affecting his game. He isn't the only one though. Tre Scott has struggled too because he's being asked to do more than he was asked to do in the previous system and that just isn't his game.

    This roster isn't built to run what John wants to do (not enough reliable ball handlers or a center who can put the ball on the floor like Drew could from the high post) and I think his stubborn approach is going to cost UC a 10th straight NCAA tournament appearance, which is extremely disappointing to me considering all that Jarron has done for this program during his 4 years at UC.

    Sometimes you have to adapt to your players and their strengths instead of forcing a certain system and tempo on them that is probably a year or two away from really working. Mick wasn't popular but his approach of slowing the game down to prevent turnovers worked pretty well and had a lot of success. JB has said he isn't going to slow the game down just to prevent turnovers. That approach has UC off to their worst start in I couldn't tell you how many years.

    But at the end of the day, if you have a 5 point lead at home with a minute to go and you're heading to the line for a front end to ice the game, you have to make that free throw. JB doesn't control turnovers and missed free throws...the players do. I'd say JB's system isn't a good fit for the better players UC has, but at the same time they have beaten themselves with mental mistakes.

    Hopefully they come to play tonight and look better in front of a sold out crowd, because if not they are going to get blown out of their own gym by Tennessee.
    Isn't it more important for a new coach to establish the culture and how the program is going to run for him the first year? It seems like he is trying to that, and he just may be getting push back from a player who was use to the previous coach? In that case I don't think he should try to change how he wants the program to run to fit a player who will be gone after this season. Not to mention the previous system you mentioned never really go them anywhere, except an early round exit.

    I have no idea how he will end up doing as a coach, however I would think UC fans would want him to ultimately end up having more success than what Mick did where it matters most in the tournament. Which maybe it will end up hurting them this season, but in the long run him establishing that culture and system on how things will be under him, may go along to getting UC to do things for the better that they failed to do with Mick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by futurecoach View Post
    Isn't it more important for a new coach to establish the culture and how the program is going to run for him the first year? It seems like he is trying to that, and he just may be getting push back from a player who was use to the previous coach? In that case I don't think he should try to change how he wants the program to run to fit a player who will be gone after this season. Not to mention the previous system you mentioned never really go them anywhere, except an early round exit.

    I have no idea how he will end up doing as a coach, however I would think UC fans would want him to ultimately end up having more success than what Mick did where it matters most in the tournament. Which maybe it will end up hurting them this season, but in the long run him establishing that culture and system on how things will be under him, may go along to getting UC to do things for the better that they failed to do with Mick.
    My take on this is, at the college level recruiting is just as important as coaching. UC has for some time had trouble bringing in top shelf kids, this deal will do nothing to improve that matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4 Quarters View Post
    My take on this is, at the college level recruiting is just as important as coaching. UC has for some time had trouble bringing in top shelf kids, this deal will do nothing to improve that matter.
    I really only pay attention to UK in recruiting and their rankings. Does Xavier get a lot better classes in than UC? Xavier through the years have been able to go on runs with the talent they have and I don't think talent wise they have always had a lot more than UC. Which is my point, someone brought up the system the new coach at UC is using not being the best for the team. Well the system they used under Mick never showed to be the best in terms of advancing in the tourney. So the new coach shouldn't be trying to use another coaches system just to fit players who are in their last year at UC. When that system wasn't the best in terms of success when it matters most. He should be building the culture he wants UC to be, and the system he wants them to use. Could it hurt them this year, yes. Could it help them for the future though absolutely IMO.

    I admit though I basically only watch UC games, and don't really follow them besides watching games. So I may be completely wrong, and people in the know would know much better on the situation than me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by futurecoach View Post
    Isn't it more important for a new coach to establish the culture and how the program is going to run for him the first year? It seems like he is trying to that, and he just may be getting push back from a player who was use to the previous coach? In that case I don't think he should try to change how he wants the program to run to fit a player who will be gone after this season. Not to mention the previous system you mentioned never really go them anywhere, except an early round exit.

    I have no idea how he will end up doing as a coach, however I would think UC fans would want him to ultimately end up having more success than what Mick did where it matters most in the tournament. Which maybe it will end up hurting them this season, but in the long run him establishing that culture and system on how things will be under him, may go along to getting UC to do things for the better that they failed to do with Mick.
    Brannen took a different approach tonight and not only shortened his bench (young guys he brought in that had been playing a lot) but also had Jarron handle the ball more and Adams-Woods start and play both on and off the ball. Led to a top 25 win taking a similar approach that Mick used with Jarron.

    I will say, his approach is much better with Jarron on the ball because others are constantly moving, giving Jarron more lanes and options to distribute the ball. I saw several really nice sets ran tonight to put JC in a position to score or distribute.

    My biggest complaint with his system is giving the center the ball at the top of the key and asking them to make a pass on cuts. If he is going to run that, fine, but utilize Tre Scott for that and use the big as a screener instead of the other way around.

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