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    Just a casual observation here....


    The fact that a middle school aged kid has "handlers" makes me sick to my stomach.

    What's next? Will we have "handlers" and AAU coaches in delivery rooms looking for the next prospect they can latch onto and leech off of?
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    Originally posted by jonboyatmu
    airSABU,
    Rose Hill has only been in existance for 20 years (about). It hasn't always had a basketball team (though I can't tell you when it started, I think the late 80's). Until 2001-02, they had one winning season and one .500 season. They rarely played public schools and had never won a district game (either Sweet 16 or All-A). Before Coach Hall, they were basically the whipping boy of the 16th. If you happened to read the basketball preview from the DI last year after the season you would have laughed at the passing off of talent that was at RH. But RH won that that wasn't cool to a lot of people. It was a building process, that suddenly exploded and they got real good real fast. But anyway...I hope that answers your questions.
    Thanks for the info

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    Originally posted by shooter
    So some of the facts of this situation include:

    1. A RH supporter contacts 4 students who just happen to be excellent basketball players and enquires if they would like to attend RH.

    2. Three of these four excellent basketball players are held back for "academics" reasons.

    3. A player is enrolled in the 9th grade which is what grade you would expect him to be in given his chronological age. He is apparently passing because he is playing basketball and presumably academically eligible. He withdraws from school because he (and his mother) want him to be in the 8th grade.

    4. An AAU coach agrees to help the player withdraw from the 9th grade so he can attend 8th grade and play on an AAU team with the other excellent basketball players.


    Viewing the situation from a distance, it's hard to believe that basketball isn't the primary motivation for the decisions that are being made by just about everyone involved. I'm sure you're going to tell me that it's not the case but that's what it looks like from the peanut gallery.

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    Points to make

    Guru,
    Thanks for seeing the value of my post and not being upset. I will try to stay on the right course. I believe my questions have been answered. Who are these people? And, where if not the school is this info being released? Well, out of 950+ viewers, 34 submitted post, 24 simply curious while 10 are either angry or in a panic trying to pick-up RH dirty laundry.

    Shooterx3,
    AGAIN, when BW was enrolled with Williams, Mayo & Taylor at RH in the 2000-2001 school year he was in the 6th grade - TRUE. If he hasn't received a DOUBLE PROMOTION, and he has not, how would he be in a higher grade than the others who enrolled with him. BW mom should make the decisions regarding her son. just like others of you that have children and make decisions for them. And if people like some of you, tried to interfere, I am certain that action of some sort would be taken by you (the parent).

    Davis,
    You are right on track. I would like for you to meet and talk with some of the RH players and families who would squash your doubts abouts my post. You are dealing with a bunch of slick talkers that truly believe that no one is smarter than them. Their slick talk amuses me. If you only knew what goes on behind the scene. This same AAU coach they keep refering to, was a great guy as long as he was helping to bring players to RH for Hall to coach following year. They where scouting Barnes players the summer before they went to RH. The player they really wanted was Mayo but hit the jackpot when they got all four. This AAU coach has been coaching these boys since they were in 3rd grade and the AAU team he coached has won 3 NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS back to back with these kid. They have been well coached by Barnes, play disciplined, respect and care for one another (players and coaches). So, RH should not forget from where they cometh and show a little respect.

    RickyP,
    Your post seems to "Lack Courage". To name people while hiding behind a Pseudo name is UNFAIR. I guess I could put names to all the situations I've described. But, whats the point. You and your camp are trying to discredit a great basketball program that Barnes has developed and to attack the kids in his program is in very poor taste. I am sure that you non RH supporters can see right through that AAU is a great avenue to take for exposure to college coaches all over the nation. There are a lot of fine athletes in RH and they would be wise to seek the AAU experience.

    Like Davis, I would love for coach barnes to meet with you in person so that you can speak with Jejuan. I know Jejuan and him mom and keep in touch with them. He and his mom can tell you how good being held back was for Jejuan. He is both academically and athletically solid. He has been ranked as high as #25 player in the nation (class of 2006). You see there is life after RH. Now why is it such a bad idea for BW to be held back for a year while SEVERAL other players in the RH Bball program have been held back from 4th grade through middle school. I am told that these players include the HEAD COACH's son, the COLOR-ANALYST radio announcers son and the A.D.'s stepson. Maybe they realized that coach barnes was right about something. Surely they would not have made that decision for their kids if it was damaging to the child in anyway. BW mom wanted the same thing for her son and had a right to make that decision for him. I applaud BW and his mom for not letting RH strong arm them into staying until the end of the season. In the long run BW will not suffer, RH will. Just think, if BW had stayed at RH, the school may have had a better chance (1) to win the All-A, (2)sell a few more tickets to the Huntington Civic Center tournament which many may agree, if BW was playing along side Mayo, he would bring some excitement to the game. By the way, the tournament is in Huntington where Walker, Mayo, Williams Taylor, Dawson, Magnusson & King where all reared. (3) have had a chance to advance to the final 4 or sweet 16 with a good draw & Jeff Hall gets credit for taking a team from RH further than they have gone before. Transfering now allows Bill to be eligible to play this time next year in HS and lose his senior year at public/private (not prep) school. Yes he could play all summer, which is where most of the kids SKILLS improve because they receive very GOOD instruction and GREAT competition. BW could sit out all of next year and be re-instated his senior year due to hardship (not in KY) and if you knew all the details there are certainly enough mitigating circumstances to warrant that.

    Analyst25,
    .....You're Right...Stay Tuned.

    Sportsguy,
    How well was BW doing academically? Look before you leap.

    ColonelCrazy,
    TRUST YOUR INSTINCTS. It's the people a RH, so Bitter About BW's departure that they want to know where he is and could that be so that they can try an destroy his future. And, they say they care about him??? PLEASE!!!
    BW is reading these post and knows exactly where he stood with his so called RH family. He is more convinced that he was right to make this move. He is moving FORWARD and NOT LOOKING BACK, has NO REGRETS and realizes that all the mean things that have been said about him at RH, especially the hateful comments made to him in the locker room where just part of a learning process. Hopefully, we learn from our mistakes and returning to RH was indeed a mistake for BW.

    RoyalMom,
    Well, what can I say? You post although not very original, has put true meaning to the term THREATICAL. His mom (who named him William and calls him Bill, not Billy) enrolled Bill in St. Joe as an 8th grader. Why you ask? Because they were told by people in the know and associated with RH, that if he transferred in to RH coming from Cincy as an 8th grader it might raise a Red Flag and they would have to move & live in the RH school district. So Bill was enrolled in St. Joe to get a H-town WV transcript. Why don't you stop trying to pass judgement on BW and his family and leave them alone. The more questions yor raise the worse RH looks. The conspiracy runs much deeper than you know. After reading your post I realize and understand why most have disdain for the RH "supporters", that Holier than thou mentality comes right off the page. Humbleness is a great trait to have and Practice. Remember, they that lives in glass houses should not throw stones.

    Chaplain, (Preach on Sister)
    You might allow RoyalMom to preach in your pulpit, but she could not preach in mine.

    Guru,
    I hope I have not crossed the line. If I have please give me another chance because I have a lot more to say. (smile)
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    Re: Points to make

    Originally posted by A Saint Elsewhere
    Sportsguy,
    How well was BW doing academically? Look before you leap.
    ?? CAN you possibly respond without being all dramatic? What is your response ? Was he doing well academically or not? Simple question and it could be answered with a simple response.

    If this is indeed true what you say, then instead of posting here complaining I would suggest having Mrs. Walker talk to an attourney, sounds like she has a very good case if they did promise here a spot in the 8th grade Bill...

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    I dont believe any of these posts have any merit whatsoever, and Im not associated with the program like Chaplain, RickyP, and Golfrev.

    Tell me something saint, if any of what you said was true, then why havent you taken it to the KHSAA yet? Im sure they would be very interested in knowing about this. You claim Rose Hill has brought in four players from Ohio and West Virginia, yet nothing has been made known about it.

    If something was done wrong, you are telling the wrong people.

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    point II

    AGAIN, when BW was enrolled with Williams, Mayo & Taylor at RH in the 2000-2001 school year he was in the 6th grade - TRUE. If he hasn't received a DOUBLE PROMOTION, and he has not, how would he be in a higher grade than the others who enrolled with him. BW mom should make the decisions regarding her son. just like others of you that have children and make decisions for them. And if people like some of you, tried to interfere, I am certain that action of some sort would be taken by you (the parent).

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    saint- i dont believe you answered my grade questions, when he left rose hill after the first month in 6th grade, what grade did he enroll in at cammacK? wasnt he an 8th grader last year at cammack? and now you are telling us that is was rose hill's idea to enroll him as a 9th grader at st joe? hmmmmmmmmm, rose hill
    supporters would have to be "veryl slick" to get work, ( i know rose hill supporters, and they are not THAT slick)

    i dont have a problem with bw being held back at all, but i




    recommend doing it before 9th grade

    if bill is reading this, i wish him nothing but the best, there is a kid inside there that has a ton of potential, i hope he gets the chance
    to use it

    ps rose hilll doesnt have a school district
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    Re: Re: Points to make

    Originally posted by SportsGuy41017
    ?? CAN you possibly respond without being all dramatic? What is your response ? Was he doing well academically or not? Simple question and it could be answered with a simple response.
    He was playing basketball, therefore he was eligible to play, therefore he had a 2.0 (C average) or better. Those were the eligibility rules at RH a few years ago, and I doubt they've changed since then.

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    RickyP:

    I think ASE is going for the Jugular!!!

    This is the inherent problem with building a high school basketball team. Controversy, Controversy, Controversy. Let's just hope that the players themselves (all of them) are enjoying the season and their parents make the right decisions concerning their lives.

    Where is the truth in this saga??? The World May Never Know!!!

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    Hokie:

    Not sure what RH guidelines follow. BUT, KHSAA rules say that you have to be passing more classes than failing. If you have a 7 period day for instance, a kid could have 4 D's and 3 F's and be eligible. But each school decides what they wish to follow.

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    Re: Re: Re: Points to make

    Originally posted by hokiefromky
    He was playing basketball, therefore he was eligible to play, therefore he had a 2.0 (C average) or better. Those were the eligibility rules at RH a few years ago, and I doubt they've changed since then.

    Yeah but even if he had a C average at RH maybe a C average isnt good enough to his mom.......and maybe she believes if he was in the proper grade he could do better

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    Mr. Elsewhere, I read your ramblings and you did an excellent job.....

    ...........of avoiding the truth and every question put to you. If you are correct about Billy Walker reading the messages on this board then I hope he understands what is happening to him and many on here only wish FOR HIM the best.

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    ASE sounds like AAU and Coach Barnes' PR guy...

    I am not a Rose Hill supporter nor am I a basher, yet I feel compelled to make a staement. It seems to me ASE has brought up nothing but conjecture of his own while failing to answer any legitimate question posed with anything but rhetoric.

    Is BW enrolled in school now and if so where?

    What grade was BW enrolled in before transferring to RH this past fall?

    If you possess knowledge of violations at Rose Hill, have you contacted the KHSAA to report it? If not, why?

    Please spare us your ramblings and give short, concise answers to these legitimate questions.

    As far as AAU, I don't believe it is a good avenue to college for young athletes. I believe it is an avenue to exploitation by coaches who have nothing but their best interests at heart. I have personally seen an AAU coach actively recruit an athlete from a Kentucky high school to another public high school, out of state, where he was also head coach. This was in no one's best interest but his.

    With the numerous scandals at colleges involving AAU coaches and summer camps, I don't know why the NCAA doesn't simply eliminate ALL contact during AAU and summer camp games and tournaments. Of course the answer is the almighty dollar, but this is a topic for a different thread...

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    Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah! Sorry it took me so long to respond to ASE's ramblings but I was out of town this weekend.

    Mr. Elsewhere continues to dance around the questions. The simple facts are this: Bill has lost the rest of this season, he is going to lose another year, and he is in his sixth school in 3 years because everyone associated with him is concerned about his academic progress.

    Once again Bill is the victim, plain and simple. He had his opprotunity to play in the class A state tournament taken away from him and was made to watch from the stands. Several girls in his class have told me that he said he did not want to leave Rose Hill. He is a kid and he deserves to be a kid and not leveraged as he has been in this case. Does anyone else wonder why this did not come up until the week before the class A state? Did everyone just then realize that he was in the 9th grade? Maybe it was because as Elsewhere stated Rose Hill had a better chance to win with him and the leverage Mr. Barnes had would never be greater.

    Holding back is not the issue that could have been done at the end of the school year. But once again that would not have solved the AAU problem, would it? The powers that be need him in the 8th grade now so he will be eligable for this summers tournament play.

    And by the way I have never taken a shot at any kid on these AAU teams or any other team on this board.

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    Re: Re: Re: Re: Points to make

    Originally posted by PikevilePantherFan
    Yeah but even if he had a C average at RH maybe a C average isnt good enough to his mom.......and maybe she believes if he was in the proper grade he could do better
    I wasn't saying whether or not he should have been demoted or not. I was just simply stating a fact. Most parents would not want to move their child down a grade if they had a C average or better, but I do not know any details of the circumstances that Bill was in, nor can I speak for Bill or his family.

    By the way, I had it confirmed that the 2.0 or better average is still a requirement to play any sport at RH, and the administration is keeping a close eye on every player's grades, just as they have in the past.

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