I've got some problems with this week's BGP AAA rankings

**Oldbird** · Sep 8, 05, 06:41 AM

Originally Posted by 98NCCalum

Are we really basing things on a scrimmage?

Generally...

We use everything and when the sample size of games isn't that great, yes, how teams played in scrimmages (and what type of scrimmage was played) isl factored in.

**Oldbird** · Sep 8, 05, 06:43 AM

Originally Posted by jbwill2

Cantrall's football poll was released this week, and it was pretty laughable. In not wanting to be outdone with regard to absurdity, BGP has now released its new weekly AAA rankings. Wow!!!! The BGP "powers that be" must be hitting the sauce again. First off, when Bowling Green lost their first game to Saint X, they were not penalized for the loss. In fact, they were rewarded, being ranked first after that game. How in the heck did Highlands manage to fall in this poll, from second to fourth, by losing to Colerain??? I understand that the game was not close after halftime, with the 'Birds losing 14-45. But since CovCath and LexCath both leapfrogged Highlands in the BGP poll this week, and since BG has retained its top spot, am I to assume that the BGP pollsters believe that BG, CCH, and LexCath all would have played Colerain better than HHS did??? Is Highlands being punished for scheduling the defending Ohio D1 champ??? Is it fair to do that??? You guys are killing me!!!

JB since you have such a strong opinion on where Highlands is ranked, how did you think they looked last week? How about the other games?

**patb63** · Sep 8, 05, 06:48 AM

Well, if nothing else, the BGP polls gave us another thread topic during the season. Myself, I'm glad to see the poll.......it gives a pretty accurate indication of where teams are and adjusts weekly based upon results of the previous week.

Not bad for what I pay for it either (cheaper than a newspaper subscription)!!!

**jbwill2** · Sep 8, 05, 06:50 AM

A poll should reflect a proper ranking of teams. It shouldn't have much to do with wins and losses, per se. A team should not necessarily be ranked highly just because of its outstanding record. The team ranked first in AAA should be ranked first ONLY if it's the belief of the pollsters that the first-place team could beat every other AAA team more than 50% of the time (i.e. if the top team played the second-best team in a 10 game series, the top team would be expected to win at least 6 of those games).

Are the BGP pollsters of the opinion that, right now, there are three other teams in AAA (BG, CCH, and LexCath) who could beat HHS more than 50% of the time? How did you guys come to this decision?

**jbwill2** · Sep 8, 05, 06:51 AM

Originally Posted by Oldbird

JB since you have such a strong opinion on where Highlands is ranked, how did you think they looked last week? How about the other games?

That's right, OB, rub it in!!!!!!!

I'm just tryin' to give some love to the Blue and White!!! Come on OB, don't forget where you graduated from when it comes time to cast your vote in the BGP poll next week!!!

**LSURock** · Sep 8, 05, 06:54 AM

Originally Posted by jbwill2

First off, when Bowling Green lost their first game to Saint X, they were not penalized for the loss. In fact, they were rewarded, being ranked first after that game.

Look on the bright side, maybe the Birds will move up after they lose to X.

**jbwill2** · Sep 8, 05, 06:55 AM

Originally Posted by Oldbird

JB since you have such a strong opinion on where Highlands is ranked, how did you think they looked last week? How about the other games?

I suspect I've seen Highlands about as many times as you've seen Bowling Green this year!!!!!!

**patb63** · Sep 8, 05, 06:55 AM

jb,

Those three teams COULD beat Highlands more than 50% of the time THIS week!!!

Next week, that outlook might be different....that's why it's a weekly poll!

**Watusi** · Sep 8, 05, 07:03 AM

jb, the BGP poll is definitely not a "homer" job where the voters play up their own team. So don't expect Oldbird, or anyone else, to vote for their home team ahead of a more deserving team. If that is what you want, then check out a copy of the AP poll.

As far as your idea of what a poll should be, I think you are close. In the BGP poll, teams are ranked according to where we think they are this week. If somebody is ranked ahead of your team, it is because the voters think that team is better than yours at this point in the season. Your team's performance, personnel and schedule are discussed and all factor into it.

Bluto · Sep 8, 05, 07:11 AM

Originally Posted by Oldbird

Generally...
We use everything and when the sample size of games isn't that great, yes, how teams played in scrimmages (and what type of scrimmage was played) isl factored in.

You noted in another thread that little LCA creamed S. Oldham in it's 2nd scrimmage (47-14). How, then, could S. Oldham not be penalized in the 3A rankings (they are currently ranked 10th in 3A)? Is LCA THAT good?

**theguru** · Sep 8, 05, 07:24 AM

Originally Posted by 98NCCalum

Are we really basing things on a scrimmage?

We use all available information.

**Watusi** · Sep 8, 05, 07:27 AM

Bluto,

S. Oldham wasn't ranked then either, but they have been pretty dominant on the field in their 3 real games. As the season wears on, even early games will take less importance as later ones. Teams progress, get better, and their ranking reflects that.

Nobody is going to be ranked solely on a scrimmage, but in this case, a scrimmage was an important piece of information in trying to determine how close Colerain and Moeller might be. And that played a small part in our rankings when we decide between CovCath and HHS.

**theguru** · Sep 8, 05, 07:29 AM

Originally Posted by Bluto

You noted in another thread that little LCA creamed S. Oldham in it's 2nd scrimmage (47-14). How, then, could S. Oldham not be penalized in the 3A rankings (they are currently ranked 10th in 3A)? Is LCA THAT good?

South Oldham was "penalized" to start the year but they have worked their way up with their on the field performance.

All scrimmages are not created equal. In Ohio you have a little less time to prepare for the start of the season and scrimmages usually mirror game results more than they would in KY. I only bring this up because we got started on the Moeller/Colerain scrimmage which was one field goal to nothing Colerain.

**theguru** · Sep 8, 05, 07:30 AM

You beat me 2C.

**Bluetothebone** · Sep 8, 05, 07:32 AM

I think after we win at ST X this week we will hopefully move up in the polls!!

And if we don't move up we will just have to win at PSW next week.

Maybe after we play at Papa Johns we will be #1 in the polls.

**stick1** · Sep 8, 05, 07:37 AM

I think it's so early in the year that it's too early to get too worked up about where you are. I think in 3A you could take 5 teams and flip flop them in any order 1-5 and make an argument. To me they look pretty darn good. You can always make a case here or there but if somebody thinks they have one more accurate with more info, I'd like to see it!

**NamecipS** · Sep 8, 05, 07:49 AM

Originally Posted by theguru

jb,

Another way of looking at this is CCH was rewarded for their much better showing against Moeller who played Colerain "even" in a scrimmage.

"Even" in a scrimmage....hmmmm

Where have I heard this before? It's funny how when some other teams/people bring up results of a scrimmage, they're blasted with "It's just a scrimmage" But now all of a sudden it's being factored in the rankings.

**stickymitts** · Sep 8, 05, 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by NamecipS

"Even" in a scrimmage....hmmmm

Where have I heard this before? It's funny how when some other teams/people bring up results of a scrimmage, they're blasted with "It's just a scrimmage" But now all of a sudden it's being factored in the rankings.

It's a conspiracy...

**theguru** · Sep 8, 05, 07:58 AM

Originally Posted by NamecipS

"Even" in a scrimmage....hmmmm

Where have I heard this before? It's funny how when some other teams/people bring up results of a scrimmage, they're blasted with "It's just a scrimmage" But now all of a sudden it's being factored in the rankings.

Maybe you should read all of my comments on this topic before passing judgement.

We consider all the available information and scrimmages are available information. The trick is determining how reliable the scrimmage information is.

I suppose everyone that is talking issue with scrimmages believes that when you analyze an issue you should NOT consider all the available information?

**LRCW** · Sep 8, 05, 07:59 AM

Originally Posted by NamecipS

"Even" in a scrimmage....hmmmm

Where have I heard this before? It's funny how when some other teams/people bring up results of a scrimmage, they're blasted with "It's just a scrimmage" But now all of a sudden it's being factored in the rankings.

Did you read this post??

Originally Posted by Watusi

Bluto,

S. Oldham wasn't ranked then either, but they have been pretty dominant on the field in their 3 real games. As the season wears on, even early games will take less importance as later ones. Teams progress, get better, and their ranking reflects that.

Nobody is going to be ranked solely on a scrimmage, but in this case, a scrimmage was an important piece of information in trying to determine how close Colerain and Moeller might be. And that played a small part in our rankings when we decide between CovCath and HHS.