Fayette County Flu Hits Jefferson County?

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    There is no question it is happening, that is not what I am asking. I want to know if the school board has made any "official" statements?
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    sorry.

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    No need to be sorry.

    Someone I trust sent me this answer to my own question:

    JCPS officials have not and probably won't make this an "official" policy as it is in Fayette County. So far it seems to be the principals and ADs not letting their coaches schedule games outside of the master district schedule with Trinity. JCPS is having some PR problems of their own with several schools not meeting academic standards so they are not going to publicize anything that has any chance of making them look bad. I would go so far as to say if asked directly they would deny it and say scheduling is up to each individual school. Trinity been informed that none of the public schools on their football schedule next year (except Manual) will play freshman or JV games against them and further the only public schools that will be on their football schedule in the future (excluding Manual) will be those in their district. They assume that it will carry over to all sports.

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    I can understand some of the schools feeling cheated because of the athletes that the parochial schools are getting. I don't think the public schools would be as upset if Trinity and St X would focus on getting players from their feeder schools and leave those students and players in public schools alone. I follow little league football in Jefferson County and see Trinity representatives at them often. I can say that ST X representatives are not as visible at these games. These players that Trinity attracts are public school students. I think what the public school ADs are saying is it is tough to compete against the tradition and mystique of a Trinity and getting tougher. With Male at least there is a chance to compete because it is SUPPOSED to be tougher to get in if you haven't been in the traditional program. At Trinity and ST X it is no holds barred. All comers are welcome. " Financial Aid" is available especially if you run a 4.5 or are 6' 3" and weigh 240. I don't agree with the boycott but I do understand the frustration. Think about this. TaShawn McBroom came from a public school. If he goes to one of those schools think how much more competitive that school becomes. Would Trinity still have been good without him? Most definitely but that school that TaShawn went to would have that one player that could have put them over the top. Given them the recognition to get the school's name in the paper to start attracting more kids. Let's face it kids want to be recognized. Go back and look at the Saturday morning editions of the CJ for this past fall and see who is on the front page of the sports section? That is tough to compete against.

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    Some of the rumors I've heard concern Trinity's recent campus improvements, especially the Marshall Center and Trinity's planned football stadium. It seems that there are those that feel that The Marshall Center and a full time conditioning coach somehow give Trinity an unfair advantage. I think that the real motivation behind a boycott is that they look at what is going on at Trinity and think that they will be unable or unwilling to compete. My advice is that if you want a facility like the Marshall Center, contact your alumni, parents and boosters and raise the money to build one. If you want a full time conditioning coach, raise the money to fund the position.

    Families have been making the decision that Trinity is best for them for many years, but during that time most of the athletic facilities were awful. Trinity turns fifty years old in 2003. Our alumni are getting old enough to get into prime giving years, so beginning in the early 90's Trinity was able to upgrade first the academic facilities, and later the athletic facilities. The results have been tremendous. Enrollment is up by almost 300 students and still growing. That has necessitated another new classroom wing (the third classroom expansion since 1991). I think that the real issue for the JCPS's is that Trinity is succeeding in the marketplace, and that scares them to death.

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    Alumni will give to a program that demonstrates the ability to win on the field and/or court. Without quality athletes it is hard to produce wins. People don't give or support just because that is their beloved high school. They want to see a winner.

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    I'm sorry, but you could come up with a long list of reasons why it can't be done. When Trinity set out to raise 3.3 million to build the Marshall Center, Shamrock Hall and to put $1,000,000 in the endowment fund, they were told that it couldn't be done. There weren't enough alumni, the alumni weren't old enough, it was too soon after the fundraisers for Alumni Hall, it was too much money etc. The campaign raised 3.9 million. The point is, for every 20 people that tell you why it can't be done, there is one that will prove them wrong by doing it.

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    Originally posted by dcard
    " Financial Aid" is available especially if you run a 4.5 or are 6' 3" and weigh 240.
    In what was an other wise well thought out and intelligent post that presented a possible justification for the JCPS position why did you feel the need to insert this line? Of course you can back up your contention that athletic ability has an influence on how finincial aid is awarded at Trinity and st. Xavier, don't you?


    Originally posted by dcard
    Think about this. TaShawn McBroom came from a public school. If he goes to one of those schools think how much more competitive that school becomes. Would Trinity still have been good without him? Most definitely but that school that TaShawn went to would have that one player that could have put them over the top. Given them the recognition to get the school's name in the paper to start attracting more kids.
    Wow, that's putting a lot on the shoulders of an eighth grader.
    One kid could have been the savior of a public school's athletic program. Did you ever consider that maybe Tayshawn's parents made the sacrafices necassary to put their son in Trinity because they felt he would be in a better educational environment then if he had stayed in the public school system? Conversely, since you seem to have a problem with kids going from public middle to private high school how do you chime in on kids who leave catholic schools after 8th grade to go to public schools? If public school kids should be off limits to private schools coaches then shouldn't kids in the CSAA be out of bounds for a public schools coach? I would venture to say (and this is just conjecture, I have no data to back it up) that more kids leave the catholic system and go to public high schools then vice versa.

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    I just know what kids have told me when asked how they can afford to go to Trinity. I also ask them if they were thinking about Trinity before their representatives showed up and their answer is no. Their parents hadn't started to make preparation for this enormous sacrafice that they would entail. Most kids that go to Trinity know it years in advance and start making arrangements for the tuition.

    As far as TaShawn goes. I'm not saying that he would have been a savior for any particular school. I am saying that he had the type ability to make a quick difference in a schools football team.


    You are absolutely right that more kids leave catholic schools to go to public schools than kids leaving public schools to go to catholic high school. Most of those kids leave because their parent don't want to continue to pay the tuition or the kid doesn't want to go to school with all boys or girls.

    Of the kids that go to public middle school, how many make a decision to go to Trinity because of football and they have been contacted by a Trinity representative? On the other hand, how may catholic middle school kids will go to a public school because
    they have been contacted by a representative from a public high school? I think the numbers in those areas would prove my point.

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    A Public School can't just raise 3.3 million dollars for the Football team like Trinity does!! Not because they can't raise the money, they might be able to do that, if Male builds a 3.3 million dollar gym and hires two coaches just for football then by law (title IX) they must raise a 3.3 million for the Girls Vollyball team and 3.3 million for the Girl's Soccer team and so on. Then you can't have one public school get vastly ahead of the rest. So soon you are talking about raising 330 million rather than 3.3 million. The local economy doesn't have that type of money to throw at high school atheletics.

    On the point of Catholic Schools giving public schools a bunch of star atheletes list them. You can't, show some numbers or examples. Besides if dcards quote about financial assistance isn't true then why don't you show some examples of Non-Catholic, ex-public school stars that aren't receiving assistance? If you say his statement is void of any truth, fine back it up.

    I have grown up in the Catholic Community many of my cousins and other family members that went to catholic schools have told me that same thing that dcard said. Like I said before if you are going to talk about this then be honest!!
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    I can't wait for the Dupont Manual vs. Trinity games this year!! these might be the best attended most talked about Freshmen and JV games of all Time!!

    Why would you Trinity guys care about playing any of the other guys anyway?
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    And we can just switch off stadiums. Let's see...Wk1 @ DuPont Manual Stadium, Wk. 2 @ Trinity. At least I won't have to find directions!

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    I am up for that


    As far as Varsity ball goes Trinity will still play all district games, right?

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    ram95, The Marshall Center is not a football only facility. If Trinity were co-ed, it would be used by all students. Title IX would not be an issue. As I said above, there are always twenty people to tell you why it can't be done and one to do it. We did a survey at our church. More of our parish kids attend public schools than any other. As far as which athletes receive financial aid, I have no idea. It's not any of my business, or anyone else's for that matter.

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    That's correct as far as my informant is concerned. Of course, he's my son, so...Can anyone else verify?

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